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Originally Posted by Rayzor84
I agree. War is not unnatural, and sure deaths aren't a great thing to rack up. Unfortunately, war is a completely natural part of life. This is human nature, no, animal nature, the likes of which we won't be able to evolve past for a long time. War isn't fun, but it is in our blood.
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Blood is in our war, not the other way around.
Humans create these unnecessary obstacles such as capitalism, which essentially is an economy based on unlimited resources, and for the good of the humans' followers, or citizens, take over the lives of others not paying them royalties. Once the others are essentially "pwned" they pay royalties to the owners and must do as they command or they will be put into jail.
Wars, as it has been said before, is a chess game of the ruling elite and we are all pawns for economic growth. There must be war to keep the capitalistic war machine running smoothly, otherwise, the system collapses and we're right back in a 1930's depression.
People do not kill out of necessity like animals do. It is often suggested that they do it because they "feel" it was necessary, but their lower brains (hind brain, midbrain) got in the way of their working forebrain, that used for intelligence and abstract thought (which has been proven that that is what it is used for in humans) and by becoming emotionally overwhelmed, they acted on instinct and emotion rather than logic, something which they are capable of and which would have a better outcome.
If someone cannot control their emotions or do not have a working forebrain, they need to be placed either behind bars or in a hospital because the majority of humans who have realized that killing is not necessary for survival should not be subject to such abuses.
I don't think anything done by humans can actually be considered "human nature" because you have how many thousands of years to draw your conclusions from. Perhaps a moralist or creationist could use the argument because they do not believe in the evolution of being, but from a scientific perspective, human nature can not be defined definitively. Using "human nature" as an argument for anything is merely presenting circumstantial evidence towards a biased opinion. Every number of things are a part of human nature, and there are many contradictions when speaking of human nature, such as greed and charity, giving birth and killing, loving and hating...
All of these contradict each other so we can't use them to define us but merely help us realize that we are humans, souls, beings, and we are not our defining characteristics. There is no perfect human. There are no standards.
The thing is humans have no need to kill other humans. In fact, it's most detrimental to our existance to kill other humans. For a leader, a perfect world wouldn't be War All The Time, it would be unquestioned loyalty. But it's not a perfect world for them so instead to coerce other to be loyal they use fear. One tactic to get fear into the hearts and minds of the innocent is to kill others.
Another reason leaders kill is in self-defense. But as soon as self-defense comes into play you always have to look at the human on the other side of the equation and look at what their motives are. If you don't look at both sides you can't make a valid argument. One side is never just killing out of pure "human nature." There is always a motive. Greed is usually the main one. In the case of terrorism, they believe that their very way of life is being threatened by "evil" Americanism. They respond the most effective way they know how.
You see, for me to make my point, I only have to dig as deep as I need to to make it. I don't have to have the ultimate truth or ultimate anything. I just need to look at both sides and see why something is and why something shouldn't be. My point against killing is that it doesn't feed any innate need. It is merely a tool for gains. The gains mask the guilt of the killing and that is enough to justify. But this is a bad and degenerative cycle. From greed comes war. From war comes greed. It doesn't end. Breaking the cycle, evolution, is what needs to happen. On our current path, the only way to true peace is ultimately the destruction of the entire human race.
(All of this shit came from another thread that I wrote motherfucking today.)
http://www.yahooka.com/forum/showthr...7&page=1&pp=20