Originally Posted by funky_unkle

N_o_S,

Let's say you really love your mom and you go "You're the best mom in the whole world!"
I could say "Hey, don't be dumb, she's not the best mom in the world, I could probably find a thousand moms around that are better than her." And you couldn't accuse me of being wrong. But you could, rightfully, accuse me of being an asshole.

Here's the deal, without boring details:
-I'm fucked up.
-I go "hey Jesus, help me out."
-I get unfucked.

Now, you can say I (and anyone else) don't actually experience God or talk to Him. You can call it illusions or wishful thinking or insanity. But you can NOT call us irrational or illogical.

I get the feeling you're asking for some kind of proof all the time, but you're not LOOKING for it. It seems to me you're asking for proof for the purpose of proving us wrong somehow. But you can't, and we can't. If I could give you some kind of satisfying answer to the problem of evil and how the world came to be, I don't think it would make a believer of you. Neither are any of us believers because we sat down and figured out how the world and God is.

Of course I can't expect you to believe the same as me if you haven't had my experiences. We all think we've met, or interacted with, God in one way or another, and if you've never met Him yourself you can't be blamed for not believing. And you can't blame us for believing even if you don't understand it. We could, for example, argue about Bob Dylan and his work. We could read all the books and interviews and talk to his friends, but we'd never KNOW him unless we actually met him. See my point?

In any case you shouldn't block out the idea that you too can communicate with God. I can't tell you you'll hear His voice out of a cloud or see His hand reach down from heaven. I my life at least, He usually goes by the heart and not the ear or the eye. And as you probably know, you'll never get to talk to Him unless you choose to look for Him. Please keep that in mind if you ever get into shit so deep you can't get out of it on your own.