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JcP · 03-20-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by v3d4

srry i forgot all about this

well i dont want a list. i dont even necessarily want an answer

but i do want to challenge your whole way of thinking.

when we give basic religious instruction to little kids we talk about God as if God is a person. having this idea of God as a person make it easier for kids to begin thinking about (and developing) their self and the relationship between "self" and the entire universe. so thats why we talk about God as a person.
eventually ppl largely stop believing in God or they stop believing in "God as person"

so i just want to make sure you are not thinking of God as a person. of course a person would never do any of the things on your list, not a normal person anyway. only a bad crazy person would. obviously the universe was not created by a bad crazy person.

the other thing is that thinking of God as a person means that everything that exists and happens is ultimately the responsibility of someone other than yourself. in that case when things arent going your way it is natural to blame or feel a little resentful towards that person who is responsible for messing everything up for you.

but God is not a person.
so for me a list of "things done by God" doesnt prove anything because there is nobody, no person, that did them.

I want to challenge your way of thinking too! Saying things like "God is not a person" is such a leap in logic based on nothing but faith. God might be an old overweight dude sitting on a cosmic lounge chair drinking beer like Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force. We have NO IDEA. This isn't about what God is or is not....the OP used the Old Testament and the morality of the God-religion of bible based faith to warn us of incoming retribution. My response to that is that the God of Judaism (and Christianity) is a BIG DICK based on the actions of God.
And while your interpretation of what God is might be different, God is THE FATHER, Jesus is his ONE AND ONLY SON, and the Holy Spirit is the woo-woo aspect put into the mix for all the mystics in the original compilation of the morality-book.
I do not believe in this model...so I'm not sure what you're debating with by warning of me thinking of God as external.

....was my semi-rhetorical OP this confusing? Both you and peace seeker both seem to think that I believe in the Old Testament God...or that my proposal that the God of the old testament is more dickish than the new testament means I think God exists in the personified form.

Anyway, God very well MIGHT be an external person...I don't know. What I do know is that IF (IF IF IF IF IF) God is the God of the Old Testament...that God wipes out women and children in floods...asks for a father to nearly kill his child to show his devotion...tortures a man just to prove his devotion...wipes out entire cities because of 'sinful' behavior after apparently also giving those children free will....making a prophet walk around the desert with the promise of a promised land, only to at the last minute inform him he'll never get to see it...
Then God used to be a BIG ASSHOLE.

I do not believe God to be the God of the old testament...I do not believe God is necessarily an external person (or entirely external).