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Originally Posted by ziplock
Application of the past towards the future imo is necessary as if I did not do this on a daily basis I would not have a future to look forward to and would have long ago died. Fear is legit. Imho it should, like pain, be respected and one should form an intimate relationship with them. Learn how to utilize them most efficiently. They represent a focus of energy that can be used to fuel further movement. Painful experiences can teach you a lot of shit. You would, of course, want to be conscious enough to avoid the painful experiences that would lead to your overall destruction. That takes a lot of critical, creative, thinking and the application of past experiences and understanding. The more you have to relate and associate the situation to the more options you create. The more potential, the more possibility. The less you have, or the less aware you are, the less options you have. It can get to a point where you are completely predetermined. Habitual reactions, routine, predictability. Once you can identify the number of options an individual is aware of, if you can control how many options they believe they have, you can exploit their almost hardwired reactive programming to get whatever result you want.
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i believe many of us are at that point, and i believe we reached it by consistently communicating feelings of despair, depression, hopelessness, anger, annoyance, etc. these are very strong communications that serve only to remove ourselves from experiences we say we prefer: supposing they would not generate such feeling. but we can't just pluck it from the ether. not immediately, anyway. we have to start building what we say we want with what we're already getting; we must use the very same materials we've used to build the life that left us unsatisfied enough to start searching for something different. to do this we must break free of habit, and in my opinion one such habit is using past experience to determine our course of action in the present.
you mention that you would be dead were it not for this mechanism. sure it's helped you survive, it's good for that. but does it help you live?
are your experiences truly comprehensive enough to be faithfully relied upon for every rolling wave on the infinite sea of potentiality? to me, relying on my past is the same as relying on habit because my past experiences have built my habits. part of my program for breaking myself free of this has been to treat every experience as its own individual entity which calls for a specific action. first, i appreciate the opportunity to once more exercise my force of will. this sets up a sense of curiosity and lays the foundation for a fulfilling experience: stacking the deck in my favor, so to speak. i then consider my initial impulse and decide whether it aligns with the kind of person i wish to be and the kind of life i wish to lead. if it does not, i can be sure that this is a merely a habitual reaction which can be dismantled in exactly the same way it was set up. i then consider my options with creativity, and act in accordance with the vision i have for myself, my life, and the kind of world i'd like to take part in. my past experiences nowise pertain to any of this, so to use them as a basis for behavior is absurd. it's all a creative, imaginative process. . . rather more like a dream, really.
fear can indeed be a powerful impetus, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking it is commonly used as such. in most cases it is used to justify feelings of helplessness and passive outrage. . . or even for control as you have stated. but we can exploit our fears just as those who would manipulate us do by resolving the feeling and transforming it into positive action (here and most every time i say "positive" i mean in a manner reflective of the life one wishes to lead). on this point i believe we are in agreement. but allow me to draw a line here. i see this much like our discussion in the obama deception thread, in that i'm describing a mechanism that's the personally experiential equivalent of the social pressure i see guiding or, dare i say, tuning the affairs of our world. i consider fear a severe pressure in this sense: a misalignment or misattunement with one's environment. once that pressure is resolved it need not return unless further imbalances call it to action. . . unless one attunes himself to it through his feelings and behaviors. i hope this helps you understand my beliefs from at least one angle
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Originally Posted by ziplock
I agree that our current condition is indeed a mockery of self-awareness for the most part. I disagree with my interpretation of a lot of what is said after. I accept and honor (there's a dead concept) my responsibility of worrying about external factors. My body can't do that. That's a 4D experience right there, and I try to fully understand that kind of stuff when I come across it. I admit it's a mindfuck though. Regardless, I would not want to ignore my obligation to worrying about external forces and factors. I have invested too much of myself into other things in this life. Too much of myself is reflected in my experience. When that is the case, one has many obligations and responsibilities to honor. I find it a characteristic of weakness to ignore and neglect these responsibilities and weakness is something we all experience countless times in our lives and should not be seen as something negative but something to be learned from. In that sense, my self-preservation has extended to encompasses a mass of 3D process. They have 4D characteristics completely imbedded in them by my conscious perspective and it's configuration. I enjoy a great deal of these characteristics, and as such, worry about their preservation.
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it's a mindfuck for sure, and i don't believe it's possible. i don't think it's necessary; we already have multiple-d portions of our "self" operating in full function and performing the calculations/negotiations necessary to coordinate everyone's experience. imo, you're only here for that part, the experience part. that's what i consider my function anyhow. i'm not discounting the pleasure to be found in stretching your brain, so to speak. but that can be done without such, imo, senseless worrying. trust me, it's a sizable mindfuck recognizing the ever so simple things i could be doing to dramatically transform my everyday life.
i don't want to sound cheesy, but damn, man. . . life goes fast. high school was nearly a decade ago at this point. there's enough to keep up with just figuring out how to enjoy it, so i'm not too keen on worry, fear, drama and the like. i just trust in my mechanisms. they're really doing a good job so far, i owe them that much.
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Originally Posted by ziplock
I attempt to utilize this worry, to keep myself aware of possible potentials and formulate options that would maximize my personal efficiency in said situations. If someone gets in a car accident for instance, I want to minimize my time where I have to think about options as time is of the essence. This is because I have invested characteristics of myself, of my 4D experience, into this person, even though I don't know them. They mean something to me, and I want to do my best to do what I believe they want to do, help them live. And this extends beyond just the 3D representations of people. I empathize with their situations, their emotions, their fears, worries, insecurities, and again, I see myself in them. I want to help them live. In that sense, I find a great, great amount of beauty in fear, in worry, in concern. A great deal.
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my beliefs place me in situations such as a car wreck for a purpose: perhaps the very same purpose you've staked out for yourself. i am therefor confident in my ability to perform -- whatever the circumstance -- because i am assured there is an aspect of this experience to be appreciated and treasured. it was planned not by me: the awareness i occupy behind this keyboard. it was coordinated in an ineffable orchestra conducted by "wider" aspects of myself and all involved. . . the stage is set and i am called to a role i am sure i had a part in creating. i must be fully involved each and every moment to do this for each and every circumstance, whatever the gravity of the situation. . . and i do not feel this can be done with an attention that stretches itself too thin in order to cover external factors far-removed from experience. it's no shortcoming, just a parameter imposed by the physics of reality.
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Originally Posted by ziplock
Due to this process, due to this reflection, self-awareness naturally extends beyond even you personally consciously. If you let yourself go, you completely lose yourself. Ego death. All the more power to those who seek that as a result in this life. I, personally, really wanna fuck around with this "ego" thing while I have the opportunity.
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there's no loss of ego in what i'm describing. in fact i consider it a blossoming of the ego. i'm done fucking around with it, personally. i'm ready to develop it into a form which serves my vision of a fulfilling life and a peaceful world. i feel i've been missing that opportunity for too long, and i don't want it to be too late.
