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**Kompressor** · 05-28-2009, 07:01 PM

Jcp, can you please elaborate on the difference between Intelligent Design and Creationism? Because most ID institutes are funded by Christian fundie groups. I'd also like to mention that I'm not a big fan of Dawkins either.

That being said I should also mention that i consider myself well-versed in evolution theory, from general Darwin to specifics like Hardy-Weinberg theorems, and have actively engaged in public debates with ID reps and other religious representatives. ID not the same on the surface but when you dive into it they will steer you towards the christian view to the origins of life.

What i think giles is trying to demonstrate as patterns and natural mathematical formulas are known as Emergence, from from the wavelength dunes of the Sahara to the fibonacci sequence of leaf distribution. If you want to really immerse yourself in the 'alternative atheist' writings, there is infinite data and numerous machinery that have been produced through scientific research over belief, from every ancient and modern convenience to the Large Hadron Collider and the elusive search for the Higgs-Boson ["God"] particle.

The one aspect I revere with science and reason compared to scriptures, is that science will wholeheartedly agree that it does not have all the answers, but it's looking for them and displays the current theories from previous exhaustive research that can be corrected based on new evidence from new minds tackling and working with these concepts. In that search, considering it's vast depth, we pick up other knowledge of our environments and how it relates to us as well as how we might manipulate deistic forces, such as human flight.

As for the 'bigger' questions, science to me is the great equalizer. Whereas however you believe the earth was formed, ultimately religious texts are confined to the limited range that each relgion inhabits on planet earth, where as science literally expands from deep into the farthest reaches of space to the electrons flying instantaneously at the speed of light in the immense yet miniscule empty space that is the atom. Asking questions like 'why are we here' and 'where are we headed' implies that we are inherently more deserving to be here than the humble protozoa instead of looking into the process of how all life came to be, terrestrial and possibly otherwise, and also estimates that there is a predetermined path to where life, or more specifically humans, are going. Science itself is a collaborative effort from across the globe to ever understand true nature of the universe around us, which admittedly may be too much for humans to understand instead of reverting to a vague force known as God.

Science doesn't dispute the existence/belief of God, it just places God in a smaller role as Laws and Axioms and labels the forces that 'God' exerts instead of a conscious state with predetermined futures.

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Kompressor Voice of Reason Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 8,363 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3,047 Times in 1,626 Posts	Jcp, can you please elaborate on the difference between Intelligent Design and Creationism? Because most ID institutes are funded by Christian fundie groups. I'd also like to mention that I'm not a big fan of Dawkins either. That being said I should also mention that i consider myself well-versed in evolution theory, from general Darwin to specifics like Hardy-Weinberg theorems, and have actively engaged in public debates with ID reps and other religious representatives. ID not the same on the surface but when you dive into it they will steer you towards the christian view to the origins of life. What i think giles is trying to demonstrate as patterns and natural mathematical formulas are known as Emergence, from from the wavelength dunes of the Sahara to the fibonacci sequence of leaf distribution. If you want to really immerse yourself in the 'alternative atheist' writings, there is infinite data and numerous machinery that have been produced through scientific research over belief, from every ancient and modern convenience to the Large Hadron Collider and the elusive search for the Higgs-Boson ["God"] particle. The one aspect I revere with science and reason compared to scriptures, is that science will wholeheartedly agree that it does not have all the answers, but it's looking for them and displays the current theories from previous exhaustive research that can be corrected based on new evidence from new minds tackling and working with these concepts. In that search, considering it's vast depth, we pick up other knowledge of our environments and how it relates to us as well as how we might manipulate deistic forces, such as human flight. As for the 'bigger' questions, science to me is the great equalizer. Whereas however you believe the earth was formed, ultimately religious texts are confined to the limited range that each relgion inhabits on planet earth, where as science literally expands from deep into the farthest reaches of space to the electrons flying instantaneously at the speed of light in the immense yet miniscule empty space that is the atom. Asking questions like 'why are we here' and 'where are we headed' implies that we are inherently more deserving to be here than the humble protozoa instead of looking into the process of how all life came to be, terrestrial and possibly otherwise, and also estimates that there is a predetermined path to where life, or more specifically humans, are going. Science itself is a collaborative effort from across the globe to ever understand true nature of the universe around us, which admittedly may be too much for humans to understand instead of reverting to a vague force known as God. Science doesn't dispute the existence/belief of God, it just places God in a smaller role as Laws and Axioms and labels the forces that 'God' exerts instead of a conscious state with predetermined futures. __________________ Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought. -H. Bergson Last edited by Kompressor; 05-28-2009 at 07:13 PM.