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Originally Posted by Kompressor
Creationism isnt just humans, it's also the 5 days or so before adam and eve arrived as well, which is what ID is all about.
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I think this might be a case of misrepresentation and semantics...just as people lump all christians together into one group sometimes, perhaps ID has been unfairly overtaken in the public discourse by the fundamentalist looney tunes.
As far as I'm concerned, ID is simply the belief that the existence of consciousness and self-awareness is divine in some way. That is transcends mere chance and physics...that there is a transcendental force as well.
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Originally Posted by Kompressor
Evolution does go into origins if you expand beyond the works of Darwin and go into other visionaries like Gregor Mendel, Watson & Crick, Hardy & Weinberg, Linnaeus, etc... I personally cant see how one can deny evolution and enjoy modern medicine and biology as a means of deducing the origins of life. Not to mention that biologists are on the cusp of creating man made life, if some mod wants to dig up that article i've posted on here from the lost thread vault it would be greatly appreciated.
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Man made life = life creating life. And while this is still hypothetical, it's not a parallel to no life creating life.
I am not familiar enough with the other evolutionists you mentioned, so I can't really engage you on that. sorry
I didn't follow your "deny evolution" sentence...
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Originally Posted by Kompressor
Science may never have all the answers, and neither will any religion or even intelligent design that doesn't have "God" on direct speed dial. Basically I feel it as a copout to digging any further into what is out there. Also you are assuming that there is a 'WHY' to our place in the universe.
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Yes I am assuming there is a why because that's what my brain and heart tells me to be true. We'll never know if there is a why or not, so actually that's just another example of your original point of:
science and religion will never have all the answers. I agree! I disagree, however, that ID leads to a copout. Why would we stop digging? Dig! Exploration and discovery is awesome! ID is an explaination of our source. And unless we achieve complete understanding of our universe, our source is probably going to remain a mystery. Ergo: belief or disbelief in things like God, higher consciousness, "collective God", etc etc.
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Originally Posted by Kompressor
My belief, to cleverly play on words as well as referencing a previous heated debate thread, if you believe that you can understand the secrets of the universe in its entirety, you are ego tripping.  |
At the end of the day, my only claim in life is a quote that changed my life a few years ago (and one I just posted to giles) "I don't know. But I know I don't know." In essence, all I know is that I don't know.
I would like to say this is the most pleasant and adult conversation about religion and atheism I have ever had. You and Farmergiles are both very compelling, even if I do disagree with you.
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