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Old 07-04-2009, 01:00 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Having the ability to calculate the possible implications of our actions is the playground of the sage.

Do you not agree that our realities are clouded with emotion and energy or were you simply being condencending with that (wtf?)?
I don't know what "energy" you're speaking of, however I would agree that our emotions do cloud our perception of reality. Having the ability to calculate the POSSIBLE implications of our actions is about as useless as not being able to calculate them at all. As others have said, Karma, in this respect, hinders ones spiritual growth more than encouraging it.
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The Law of Karma cannot be explained away. Minds will sometimes reason themselves into doing any kind of offense to fellow beings, feigning some good intention etc.

Karma is a concept to be understood by the neophyte spiritualist, so that one may learn to take responsibility for ones every action, and master ones own destiny, by mastering cause and effect. When one truly understands the law of karma, one will not take life, one will practice carefulness and gentleness toward all life forms, one will not eat flesh, animal products etc.

This virtue and purification is absolute. Mind and body are purified, giving way to new consciousness and new vision. The flowers of great kindness and compassion blossom in the heart. A deeper understanding of the root of the teachings is attained. At this point, pondering karma is irrelevant. the higher self has been realized. Collective consciousness and a deep oneness with all beings is perceived.

Karmic calculations are washed away by a deep and wise kindness, courtesy, respect, and the natural characters of the purified spirit. One is not only nonviolent toward all beings, one cares for them, loves them, marvels at their wonder and qualities, knows them as part of ones very own self. One not only does not harm, but one is extra careful and attentive not to do harm with ones every activity and bodily movement.

Yet until one truly understands the law of karma, one will not accomplish the revision of conduct, the purifications of lifestyle and body, the guidance of purified consciousness, and one will imagine and hypothesize, but will never taste these purified states. In this case more study and meditation, seeking other teachers, or more life experience may be required.
I simply do not believe this to be true. A person cannot possibly "master" cause and effect, there are simply too many variables to predict the outcome of any situation accurately.

I don't necessarily agree with you that an enlightened person will do no harm to anything/anyone, the fact of the matter is that this impossible. By simply scratching your arm you are destroying hundreds of thousands of tiny microscopic organisms.

I do not necessarily believe that Karma is the "key" to enlightenment that you bill it to be.
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