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Originally Posted by zerodown
You started it...
Stop what? Exercising my rights? Back from the music topic I noticed you like to argue in an authoritative manner as if you're superior to anyone in here, kind of arrogant in my opinion, and you also never really seem to respond to anything, you just change the subject slightly around..
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Yes, me asking you to stop it was asking you to stop exercising your rights. (jesus christ....)
no, it might seem that way to you, since your involvement in the music downloading thread was ridonkulous, but I'm actually quite level headed. Authoritative manner? Far from it. I admit being wrong quite often (and often find middle ground with people...mydraxis was the most recent one to come to mind...Dubstyle even on one or two occasions). I do, however, insist upon consistancy and logic in people's arguments and debate tactics...and when you don't fulfill your obligation to do so (in so far as the basis for good discussion) I call you out on it.
I will now respond to each and every one of your points clearly and concisely. I am a bit befuddled at your belief I change the subject...as I don't think I have even ONCE done so...but what can you do...
Like this.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
Development of the change right here. Side-tangent? FOCUS ON WHAT MATTERS!.
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This right here is avoiding the topic. Once again, instead of answering the question, you've side-stepped it. What's the problem? It's a simple answer is it not? A simple answer would completely remove this secondary question-line in this discussion...so provide it, admit you don't know/can't describe it, or move on. Continuing to hop-scotch your way around the issue and using it back at me as if I don't have the ability to focus on what matters is extremely frustrating. I think this DOES matter (as I am aware of the hodgepodge of groups all protesting at the same time), as it showcases the unfocused and DIFFERENT aspects to the protest group.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
Yes, though I think you haven't, which is obvious since you don't even seem to know what the protests are about. Like someone said, even monks went to protest, are they vandals? Anarchists? Socialists? What social group or ism do you hate? Makes me wonder where you get your news from, do the headlines read something along the lines of "g20 threatend by violent protesters"?.
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You just shot yourself in the foot. The monks are not the vandals and anarchists...but vandals and anarchists are part of the protest. so instead of raging against the police sent out to PREVENT vandalism, why not focus on distancing yourself from these groups so the police "presence" isn't warranted? This, right here, is why the police are there. If there was a bunch of monks chillin asking for peace #1 they would be given a permit and #2, that goddamn speaker tank would not be in Pittsburgh.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
They should have stayed, and helped the protesters that were protesting for them. Your friends just fled. They ignored reality, you seem to be very very afraid of reality..
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How am I afraid of reality? Because I disagree with your politics? Frankly, I see more fear in "zomg police statz!!!" than in anything I'm suggesting. Where is my fear? What reality am I ignoring? My friends do not agree with anarchism, nor do they find value in protesting 20 of the most powerful leaders getting together and talking.
See, there is a paradox...in order for there to be a prosperous and peaceful planet, leaders have to get together and talk. When this happens, some people freak the fuck out calling it the NWO. I, and my friends (three of them total), see this as a necessary step towards peace.
So fear? That's your territory, dude, not mine.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
Yeah I remember, where were you? Sitting at home? safe? I guess so, you were hiding at home probably cause vandals and anarchists were on the streets protesting, woooooo....
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No, I live in NYC. I was sitting watching the television feeling sad that people trying to express their concern for global warming, banking institutions, and unfair trade agreements were being hijacked by angry masked people causing riots.
I'm a little tired of the personal attacks. Please try to keep it in check.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
Let secondary questions be second, now that we're finished with your tangents and derivatives that stray us from the point that WE AMERICANS HAVE BEEN STRIPPED FROM OUR RIGHTS. .
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You never answered my "secondary" question, so no we're not. But moving on....
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Originally Posted by zerodown
So I'll skip all the crap about assholes who call others assholes(more categorization that leads us fucking nowhere, we need unity not segregation) because I don't see how that is irrelevant to anything, on the whole topic. I'll also skip the part about my lack of "credibility" being that what matters here is a video which shows american people being violated and stripped off of their rights. .
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These people are violating the law. Please define your usage of the word "rights" as the rights of the people, as far as I ever learned in polysci, is determined by the interpretation of the constitution, bill of rights, and subsequent decisions made by local and federal courts...
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Originally Posted by zerodown
I don't need "credibility" when there is DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE of what I am saying(see first video of OP again). .
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I see an illegal protest that has closed a public street being dispersed without a single shot being fired. What should I be seeing here?
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Originally Posted by zerodown
I will also skip the part about "there are also brainless this and brainless that" ceause again it doesn't matter what people are, what matters is YOUR RIGHTS BEING VIOLATED, who is brainless and who is not is just another of your wild tangents straying away from the main point. Lastly I will skip the part about purposes and permits of protests, mainly because IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER, FOCUS, learn to walk before running, step by step, first fight for your right, THEN exercise your right..
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Permits for protests are entirely instrinsic to this discussion, so I am afraid I'm going to have to insist you address this, or this discussion will go nowhere. Again, you need to define your interepretation of "rights" because apparently your understanding of them is foreign to me.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
Destruction and violence is not a way to spread a message, its a way to bring about change, its a fundamental rule of life. If you're pissed about something GO PROTEST, its your right, don't stay home getting fatter, GO PROTEST, demand a change. .
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"destruction and violence...is a way to bring about change." wow dude.
I've been to many a protest in my life, thank you very much. Never once violent or based on destruction. Ergo, the only police presence I have ever seen was at the end of the march route.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
Thoes people protesting and getting shot at are fighting for YOUR RIGHTS, you should be ashamed of not supporting them because if they ever happen to win and make a change you would benefit from it..
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Fuck them...fighting for my rights. What are you talking about? I did not ask them to do so, I do not feel my rights being infringed upon. What would be my benefit?
I find it so ironic you opened up your response to me calling me arrogant, only to then assume your world-view is right and I should be ashamed for not agreeing with you.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
Go help, stop telling everyone that its not possible, that is called insularism in my country, to think that we're so weak that we can't stop the injustices of a corrupt government..
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What isn't possible? What are you talking about? What is your subject in this sentence?
WHAT INJUSTICES?! It's not INJUSTICE to be arrested at an illegal protest...thats JUSTICE. DEFINITION OF JUSTICE: The administration and procedure of law.
FFS....
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Originally Posted by zerodown
Questions like this make me lose all hope in america. WHY DO YOU NEED A LEADER TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO? to tell you what is right or wrong? Can't you use your brain to know that killing is bad? .
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Three or so paragraphs ago, you praised destruction and violence. good christ....
you also completely side-stepped the question I was actually posing to you which was WHAT IS YOUR PLAN? Who said I needed a leader? That word was never once mentioned. I'm asking for YOUR PLAN.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
Can't you get along with your neighbors without a court order? Can't you just use your brain anymore? Do you need government to tell you what to do, how to do it and how much to pay for it all the time? DAMN..
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shrug. No clue where this is coming from.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
I am no leader, I can't command you into doing anything, and I won't expect you to follow any order I could give. you have to understand what is going on and act on your own, make up YOUR MIND. .
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I made up my mind...apparently I'm wrong, arrogant, blind, brainless, and afraid of reality. I don't recall asking you to be my leader. I recall asking you to explain to me your plan.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
If I were to give you any advice, it would be very simple, watch the videos again, and if you think the police violated their right to protest peacefully,.
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Are you under the impression that it is your right to gather people anywhere you want any time you want regardless of the consequences to the common good, domestic tranquility, and ability for others to function and move without being prevented to do so by your actions? If so, this would be very illuminating.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
GO PROTEST, nothing will ever change if you don't make it change, these things will continue to happen and continue to worsen until the majority of americans inevitably and systematically as it has happened throughout history, GO TO PROTEST!.
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PROTEST WHAT?! leaders gathering? global warming? the entire concept of government? What are you protesting?! I didn't protest because I do not wish my voice to be associated with rioters and anarchists. I protest all the time (well, not ALL the time, but I've been to quite a few) for issues I care about.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
Again, those idiots are protesting for a better world for you, me and everyone. Don't demonize the ONLY people who are sacrificing their time and lives for you, .
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anarchists and rioters are not speaking for me, nor are they sacrificing their lives and time for me. And you do not speak for me either.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
if anything we should sacrifice government officials who we know are corrupt, forget the legal system, they own it, just group together and go burn them on a cross for treason, you can't take down politicians using the courts, they own the courts, stop being a fool, WAKE UP, start up your brain, grab a book or two about history..
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history? What history would you like to discuss?
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Originally Posted by zerodown
So which is it, can all use it or can no one use it? they(protesters) were using it, and were thrown out of a public space, for using it. Do they have to use it in total silence?.
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YOU can do whatever you want. ORGANIZING a protest and taking over public land (in this case, a street) is a completely different concept. You see the difference?
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Originally Posted by zerodown
WTF AMERICA? Ii this how the majority of americans think? no wonder the rest of the world hates us and we need nukes to keep them form biting.
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yea, they hate us for our intolerance of rioters and anarchists.
PS--- don't talk about other people's father/grandfather when you don't know them. You open yourself up to foot-in-mouth situations...