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Originally Posted by zerodown
JcP, you seem to think protesters are a threat to you and they need to be shut down before they hurt you in some way, am I wrong?
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completely. did you not read the fact that I, myself, have protested on numerous occasions? My issue is not with protests, my issue is with protests that 1) infringe upon other's rights to carry out their daily business or 2) devolve into violence and/or riots.
Protesting is wonderful...I am not sure where you got the impression I was in any way suggesting protests should be shut down or are a threat to me in any way, as I have said neither.
Unless, of course, you misinterpreted my belief that unlawful (definition in tact) protests should be shut down. In which case, yes. I stand by that statement....but they are two different subjects.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
Unless you are the one being protested against, I don't see how a protest scares you into forfeiting your rights unto the government.
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what right(s) have I forfeited?
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Originally Posted by zerodown
How do you claim to have a working brain when you tell me that I can do whatever I want so long as is not uniting with other people who feel like me about an issue to peacefully tell others about it?
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....zerodown, I urge you to read more carefully before responding. I did not say you shoudn't unite with other people who feel like you and tell others peacefully about your belief. I said protests that are on public domain (like, say, a street in pittsburgh) where your actions prevent others from access and use of that public land is wrong.
If you want to walk around a park somewhere with some friends passing out fliers or talking to people, that's totally cool. If you get a bunch of friends together and stand in that park preventing others from using it, that's not cool.
The entire purpose of the 1939 supreme court ruling and subsequent state laws regarding protests getting permits for use of public land is because it is not your right to commandere public land for your own use, regardless of cause.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
Like I said, US citizens are totally hopeless, for americans like you there is nothing wrong with the US, as long as the tv turns on everything is fine.
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hyperbole and unfair. There's a lot I find wrong with this country. And, again, I've been involved in plenty of protests, marches, and social outreach programs based both from my UU church I attend on occasion as well as other programs I've found my way to.
Thinking people shutting down a city is wrong is not synonymous with blind adherance to this country...
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Originally Posted by zerodown
I won't get into this shit with your politically correct crap, the fact that you think protests are an illegal act("Are you under the impression that it is your right to gather people anywhere you want any time you want regardless of the consequences to the common good, domestic tranquility, and ability for others to function and move without being prevented to do so by your actions?") only shows that americans are not only aware that they have no rights, but they are ok with it as well. Hopeless minds.
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Protests are not an illegal act. Protests without permits on public ground (which is for the use of all) that prevents people not associated with your protest to go about their lives IS illegal. there is an extremely distinct difference between the two, and I urge you to think about that before you post again. Painting me as "against protests" is not only absurd, but completely baseless from anything I've said.
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Originally Posted by zerodown
“Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.”
Robert F. Kennedy
Capetown, June 6th 1966
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funny you quoted a president to support your belief(s) that the laws of the land are unjust. And the "protest laws" in terms of permits were already in place when JFK made this speech. woops?
Rioters and anarchists do not improve the lives of others, they hurt them through financial and social destruction. Injustice is an action that is against the law, and the law is quite clear about what is and is not an appropriate "gathering." Hope is personal and often at odds (Obama was hope for millions, and the antichrist to millions of others),
Opression is also personal, as one man's freedoms are another man's shackles, and resistance therefore is nebulous as well. Osama Bin Laden is "resisting" American cultural oppression...is he included in your noble belief in fighting for what you believe in?
Quotes like this out of context are meaningless...and I love JFK.