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zerodown · 09-27-2009, 07:33 AM

Clearly there is no way of getting through to you jcp, you strongly believe everything must be done by law, when it is these same corrupt and unjust laws what people are protesting about, but yeah you don't even know what people are protesting about so how can you even begin to understand their causes?

Just because something is law doesn't mean is right. That why laws can and should be amended.

You think people can "protest" in a park by telling others about their cause, but the moment others start listening to the protester and start uniting, then for some magical reason it somehow turns into an illegal act and police have to disband them? WTF? They can protest so long as no one else joins them? I would like to know what kind of protests you've been to with that way of thinking, did you get permits for your protests?

As I said on my first post on this topic, it is quite clear what is going on by watching these videos, to deny it or to defend it only serves as a means to measure how indoctrinated you are, and you jcp, are way on top of the chart.

"For those who stubbornly seek freedom, there can be no more urgent task than to come to understand the mechanisms and practices of indoctrination. These are easy to perceive in the totalitarian societies, much less so in the system of 'brainwashing under freedom' to which we are subjected and which all too often we serve as willing or unwitting instruments."

Also, you seem to have a strong fear of violence, if so, stay home, be safe but let protesters do their thing, they are doing it for us all, even if you don't think so or you can't see it, when groups protest for their rights they are doing it for you too, like it or not, want it or not. if you want to stay home, stay home, if you want to join, join, but whatever you do don't demonize protesters as vandals, you're doing the governments work for free.

Also, have you noticed these protests only turn violent when the police show up? They provoke violence, they don't stop violent protests, they provoke protesters into turning violent, which is two different things.

Did you watch the video I posted about the riot in my town? That was on a thursday, around 100 police were present before anything even started, what they were psychics? they knew before hand a riot was going to take place? or did they know a riot WOULD take place once they showed up and started pushing people around? Thursday after that, the students took to the streets, to protest, I was there, but the media was covering the issue, you know how many cops were there? 3 at most, you know how much violence went on that night? none. Cops stayed away because cameras were rolling, and no one died.

Its hard to explain this to someone who thinks protesters should get permits to protest. How would that go?

Protester: Yeah ummm where do I fill the paper to protest against my government?
government: Ummm yeah right here.

Protester fills papers

DENIED!!!

Yeah that works perfectly eh? you have a RIGHT TO PROTEST, you don't need to ask anyone in order to protest, that is why its hard to explain all this to you, because I probably need a permit to get through to your nugget sized brain.

For someone like you the only book I can think of that would help you understand is Erich Fromm's "escape from freedom". seriously, aside from all the debate and arguing on this topic, go get this book, go during the morning, at that time protesters are sleeping you'll be safe while you go to the mall.

09-27-2009, 07:33 AM	#72 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	Clearly there is no way of getting through to you jcp, you strongly believe everything must be done by law, when it is these same corrupt and unjust laws what people are protesting about, but yeah you don't even know what people are protesting about so how can you even begin to understand their causes? Just because something is law doesn't mean is right. That why laws can and should be amended. You think people can "protest" in a park by telling others about their cause, but the moment others start listening to the protester and start uniting, then for some magical reason it somehow turns into an illegal act and police have to disband them? WTF? They can protest so long as no one else joins them? I would like to know what kind of protests you've been to with that way of thinking, did you get permits for your protests? As I said on my first post on this topic, it is quite clear what is going on by watching these videos, to deny it or to defend it only serves as a means to measure how indoctrinated you are, and you jcp, are way on top of the chart. "For those who stubbornly seek freedom, there can be no more urgent task than to come to understand the mechanisms and practices of indoctrination. These are easy to perceive in the totalitarian societies, much less so in the system of 'brainwashing under freedom' to which we are subjected and which all too often we serve as willing or unwitting instruments." Also, you seem to have a strong fear of violence, if so, stay home, be safe but let protesters do their thing, they are doing it for us all, even if you don't think so or you can't see it, when groups protest for their rights they are doing it for you too, like it or not, want it or not. if you want to stay home, stay home, if you want to join, join, but whatever you do don't demonize protesters as vandals, you're doing the governments work for free. Also, have you noticed these protests only turn violent when the police show up? They provoke violence, they don't stop violent protests, they provoke protesters into turning violent, which is two different things. Did you watch the video I posted about the riot in my town? That was on a thursday, around 100 police were present before anything even started, what they were psychics? they knew before hand a riot was going to take place? or did they know a riot WOULD take place once they showed up and started pushing people around? Thursday after that, the students took to the streets, to protest, I was there, but the media was covering the issue, you know how many cops were there? 3 at most, you know how much violence went on that night? none. Cops stayed away because cameras were rolling, and no one died. Its hard to explain this to someone who thinks protesters should get permits to protest. How would that go? Protester: Yeah ummm where do I fill the paper to protest against my government? government: Ummm yeah right here. Protester fills papers DENIED!!! Yeah that works perfectly eh? you have a RIGHT TO PROTEST, you don't need to ask anyone in order to protest, that is why its hard to explain all this to you, because I probably need a permit to get through to your nugget sized brain. For someone like you the only book I can think of that would help you understand is Erich Fromm's "escape from freedom". seriously, aside from all the debate and arguing on this topic, go get this book, go during the morning, at that time protesters are sleeping you'll be safe while you go to the mall. __________________ "I've seen people so poor all they got is money." We have to learn to unlearn Its not contradiction, its amendment Not everything we see is reality Not everything we hear is the truth Not everything we're taught helps us grow ~Cultura Profetica "La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos" ~Roberto Iniesta Last edited by zerodown; 09-27-2009 at 08:57 AM.