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Old 09-27-2009, 12:07 PM   #75 (permalink)
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not to take the blame off, but i was raised my an ultra-constervative christian, the media that was spoon fed to me, and of course the sofa-sermons...i've allowed myself to be shaped by other's views, sure. up until the last few years i had a much different belief system...hell since i joined yahooka.
it's only now that i see from the lense of my truth. and my truth says beware, your rights are slipping away.
right on.

Are your folks still alive? If so, I'd be curious to know when the media became ultra-liberal to ultra-conservatives...

And for fuck's sake THANK YOU for saying "lens of MY truth." Debating people who claim to hold objective truth on an opinion-based subect is infuriating.

I hear you, spicoli, and I indeed DID protest the Patriot Act and continue to bring up my objections whenever it comes up in coversation with friends who are in favor of it.

I just think in a growing society, if laws don't change with the times, you get archaic systems that don't work.
Jews don't stone people who sleep in too late on the Sabbath anymore, even tho their original document says they should.

the right to protest is a sacred one (as is the right to own a gun), but both have to be seen in context. Right to bear arms was about muskets...which took forever to reload...was for an agrarian society without massive megacities and focused populations.
I disagree with any attempt to outlaw guns, even though I have no interest in ever owning one. I do not see how gun registration and safety features are infringing upon your right to own a gun. You can still go buy one...you just have to go through a process that makes this "right" functional in a modern era.

Likewise, the first amendment. I repeat my example given to zerodown...without assembly laws, what is to prevent six guys from completely shutting down NYC by standing arm in arm across the George Washington Bridge?

Anyway, I agree with your overall sentiment, I just think, perhaps, I see a different REASON, which lessons my doom-and-gloom feeling about it.
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