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my objection to such discussion is that there is no clear objective place to draw the line between what is or isnt as it appears. maybe the moon landings were fake. maybe the holocaust never happened. we can make up speculative skepticism about anything: maybe the war in mexico is a hoax. maybe the unrest and hunger in africa is a clever deception to drain charity dollars from well meanig ppl for some other less noble purpose. maybe katrina never really happened but was the cover story for racist ethnic cleansing. at some point it just becomes silly
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