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Mr Mister · 11-05-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DdC

Clearly, you don't understand what the conservative position actually is. First of all, if a state refuses the public option, their citizens still have to pay the taxes that will pay for the Emergency room care presently used. Costing them 10 times more. But it does save the $100,000.00 an hour salaries of a few wealthy Insurance and Pharmaceutical CEO's. Between the Ganjawar and the various Police Actions around the globe Neo-Conservokrats have increased the size of government beyond any Liberal, increased taxes to pay for them beyond any Liberal. Killed more rights enacting the Patriot Ax, Higher Ed Ax and NAFTA/GATT than Stalin. Good job commie.

The Conservative Argument for Legalization

Oh, you're an idiot, sorry. My mistake. No one here supports the drug war ace, but believe it or not when I told the IRS what you said they just laughed. Maybe you should call the cops on the thieves. Like I said, sorry I didn't see your Lipton tag dangling. Protesting the protesters protesting the Oppressors makes you look silly as hell. What you think you'll get an invite to the big house for supper?

You mean you support the Constitution, 10th Amendment that gives everything not deemed Federal to the states to control. Outside of Commerce and apparently with Boosh, the National Guard has become International. You don't support states rights dude, they are granted. What you don't support is America. Or Americans. You force the workers to pay for the rich tax shelters in the Caymans. Or write them off for drug war propaganda lies and hobgoblins. You support the International corporations the workers are forking out $300 billion a year in taxes for the interest on Boosh loans. To bail out the frickin Banksters. Those investors who ran with the money... not a teabog peep. Now you and the Dick Armey still dangling horshit. JFQuirkies Raiders. Pitifuckingful.

Like I said, two choices. You the Neo-Conservokrat Fascism raping and pillaging, or Independent Free Thinking Americans paying for it.

Neo-Conservokrats zero tolerance abortions/Realists use condoms
Neo-Conservokrats Pesticide abortions/Realists advocate Hemp
Neo-Conservokrats War Abortions/Realists Wage Peace
Neo-Conservokrats Pharmaceutical abortions/Realists use Ganja
Neo-Conservokrats Reefer Mad ConPromise on Reality/Realists use the Laws of Physics.

Stop lapdogging G-20 greedsters, think for yourself ace, I know thats a foreign concept. Start with turning off the Fake News. Stop tolerating lies from Junkie radio dj's. Stop being such a slave to an Un-American traitorous system of interchangeable thieves, bought and paid for to legislate profits. Its obvious with the Ganjawar, banning natural competition to chemical synthetics. But its across the board. Puppets serving their time then Lobby a fortune. Selling treatments, banning cures and preventions. Stop gibbering mouthfarts. Your Free! Act like it. Stop following fossil fools puppets. Circumventing our rights with Fascism. Traitors and Cowards loyal to the party in spite of their country. tsk tsk tsk.

I'm not a neocon. I don't support the actions of the Bush administration. I believe that the current health insurance system clearly does not work and some kind of reform is needed, I just don't think a federal single-payer program is the way to go. Once again, maybe you should ask before you assume things about people you don't know.

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Originally Posted by JcP

um, excuse me, but you took it upon yourself to speak for the entire conservative movement. You speak in generalities, you get generalities back. It is the conservative movement that spearheads both anti-homosexual rights agendas as well as the ridiculous anti-abortion hoopla.
Now you can try to annex your original statements...redefin ing conservative to fit your personal views of what that means, but that's irrelevant. You made a statement suggesting the conservative movement to be a singular entity that views healthcare the way you personally do...and that leads to the hypocrisy that makes my eyes roll every time I hear them speak.
You're a socially liberal fiscal conservative who believes in small government and sticks to your guns across the board (pro gay rights and for government to stay out of a woman's body)? Great. I disagree with you completely on most fiscal issues, but at least you're consistent. But you're fooling yourself if you think the overwhelming majority of the conservative movement is in line with that.

And your opinion about state's rights does nothing to address your apparent issue with taxes...why do you think STATES will agree with your personal judgements about what your tax dollars should be spent on?

Look at the post I was responding to. Terry made broad assumptions about all conservatives that didn't reflect what conservatives tend to actually believe, so I made an attempt to correct him. Conservatives don't have to support a federal health care program just because states can opt out. There's no real conflict there. I was speaking broadly about conservatives because Terry was speaking broadly about conservatives first and I was responding to him.

States may or may not agree with my stance on any given issue. That's the whole point. If state's rights are respected, I can go and live in a state that more accurately reflects my views or I can attempt to change things in the state I already live in. With the federal government, that's next to impossible since my ideas have to compete with the entire country. There is a lot of variance in opinion in this country and it makes no sense force one solution on everybody unless it can only work with the aid of the federal government, like the interstate highway system, for example.

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Originally Posted by verklingen

what's wrong with the public option in the first place? you say choice of doctors, hospitals and treatments will be limited. . . how is it not limited already? this is so fucking stupid and i'm sick of hearing this retarded argument. are you saying people who take the public option (only people who are not currently insured will be eligible btw) will be limited in their choices? maybe so, but they have no choices now. or do you mean people covered privately will be limited in their choices? as i said this is already the case. please stfu with this retarded bullshit. everything you're saying is rehashed from months ago when this whole debate started and i've been hearing it over and over. you are not the first to come here and repeat this drivel, but maybe you can be the first to admit how stupid it makes you seem

Calm down. I agree, the current system doesn't work. Why does the solution have to be a federal single-payer health care program?