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Sir-Ex · 11-13-2009, 06:55 PM

The bulk of production itself is dependent on fossil fuels.

The process of recycling as well.

As far as the manufacturing goes, it takes roughly the same amount of energy to create something out of recycled materials as it does raw materials. The step of extracting the materials is skipped, but the recycled material still has to be reprocessed, and its always at a large loss; most of the recycled material can't be salvaged and is destroyed in the process.

Living without plastic will be what we'll have to do unless we find some other way to produce something similar.

The prospect of living without plastic at this point is pretty like.. insane when you look at all the things that need petrochemicals. The electronics industry would implode. Not to mention that we currently need it just to transport everything.

Yer wrong about where most oil consumption goes as well. The majority of it is actually used for transportation. Most of the rest is used for yeah, energy, but not household energy. The majority of what's left is used in the industrial/manufacturing sectors.

Industry is basically the framework of our civilization. Everything we have depends on production because virtually everything we have now is manufactured. And the whole bloody industry runs on fossil fuels, its was born of the discovery of fossil fuels. It exists because of fossil fuels.

What you're proposing is the equivalent of taking car with a diesel engine and then trying to swap out that engine for a new, water powered one, except the car is running and full of people and you can't turn it off.

11-13-2009, 06:55 PM	#50 (permalink)
Sir-Ex Learner Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 11,413 Thanks: 1,725 Thanked 3,816 Times in 2,256 Posts	The bulk of production itself is dependent on fossil fuels. The process of recycling as well. As far as the manufacturing goes, it takes roughly the same amount of energy to create something out of recycled materials as it does raw materials. The step of extracting the materials is skipped, but the recycled material still has to be reprocessed, and its always at a large loss; most of the recycled material can't be salvaged and is destroyed in the process. Living without plastic will be what we'll have to do unless we find some other way to produce something similar. The prospect of living without plastic at this point is pretty like.. insane when you look at all the things that need petrochemicals. The electronics industry would implode. Not to mention that we currently need it just to transport everything. Yer wrong about where most oil consumption goes as well. The majority of it is actually used for transportation. Most of the rest is used for yeah, energy, but not household energy. The majority of what's left is used in the industrial/manufacturing sectors. Industry is basically the framework of our civilization. Everything we have depends on production because virtually everything we have now is manufactured. And the whole bloody industry runs on fossil fuels, its was born of the discovery of fossil fuels. It exists because of fossil fuels. What you're proposing is the equivalent of taking car with a diesel engine and then trying to swap out that engine for a new, water powered one, except the car is running and full of people and you can't turn it off. __________________ Smile Ditch the cigs!!!!!!