Not belittling what you have to say, just want it to fit nicely in a not intimidating size! har har har!
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Originally Posted by John F. Kerry
some of the points your making seem like they wouldnt work too well in a large society sage, how is the president supposed to rise up by getting the admiration of all the people when some of the people live in alaska and some live in maine?
i think what your saying has its place, but not in national government.
if your proposing something along the lines of a renunciation of national govenrments and reverting to smaller local controls i say intriguing, but not without its own set of problems.
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I don't have specific suggests here John, but I do have a cool metaphor.
To me is seems insane to think war will end war. I like a good paradox, but to me, sorry, this is idiocy.
The metaphor here is that you partially agreed/acknowledged what I said in my posts, there fore, it became confounding to create a retort, which is often pretty damn easy with your words, no offense
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As a moderator on here for 10 years I have seen what happens when you come down on people. There is often back lash. However the last several years many of the people I'm sure I've pissed off, thinking IRC here, have come now with concerns on the board, personal cares, and constructive thoughts. I will accredit this to their growth as people, but also my growth.
Fore, I believe, as I've learned through conscious effort, to see their opinions and share why I have mine are important, harmony has abounded between us. So that when a concern arises, I don't get called a Nazi Mod or whatever, I get treated as an exception, and am greeted with kind cares. Making it even easier to try and bargain with them as well as fellow mods.
My Mom always said 'You catch more flies with honey than vinegar'. I find this true, as I practice compassion that all concerns, no matter how crazy they seem sometimes, are equally valid for talking on. Although not always worth considering. That when the talking is done, no one leaves feeling mistreated or angry.
There are of course case where this isn't so, but I find these 'hard headed passionate types' are easier to see, and easier to sprinkle with extra attention.
What is this happened at a national level or something close to it?
So this is where I'm house sitting right now and found this SUPER interesting and on topic:
Northwest Territories-Government
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Consensus government is a non-partisan, democratic system of government in use in two Canadian territories. Consensus government is also in use in Guernsey in the Channel Islands.
This system exists in the Northwest Territories and Nunavut, territories with relatively large aboriginal populations, and was accordingly inspired by traditional aboriginal systems of governance. Members of the legislature are elected as independents from single member districts by simple plurality voting. As in other Westminster system parliaments the legislature selects the premier, the speaker and the cabinet from amongst themselves, and the government is dependent on retaining the confidence of the legislature. However due to the absence of political parties there is no formal opposition and instead of party caucuses members regularly participate in a caucus of all members of the legislature.
While consensus models of discourse often require that a true consensus be reached, in consensus government policies advanced by the government are decided upon by majority vote; the government must therefore support policies that please a majority of the entire legislature if it wants them to pass. Notions of party discipline are not relevant to such deliberations.
The States of Guernsey (the island's parliament) last endorsed the system of consensus government by committees in 2002, when it rejected by a very significant majority a proposition to replace the system with executive/cabinet-style government.
Consensus government by committees in Guernsey is an alternative to party-based and ministerial government. Government departments are run not by individuals with ministerial authority, but by boards or committees of five members elected by the Assembly (parliament) of 47 members.
All major items of policy are taken to the Assembly, where they are approved, amended or rejected. Most items are determined by simple majority voting.
At the most recent general election of people's deputies (members), all candidates stood as independents without affiliation to any party. Political parties have existed from time to time, but with little success.
In 2009, a majority of members of Guernsey's government signed a letter outlining their continuing commitment to consensus government by committees and opposition to executive/cabinet-style government."]Consensus government[/URL] is a non-partisan, democratic system of government in use in two Canadian territories. Consensus government is also in use in Guernsey in the Channel Islands.
This system exists in the Northwest Territories and Nunavut, territories with relatively large aboriginal populations, and was accordingly inspired by traditional aboriginal systems of governance. Members of the legislature are elected as independents from single member districts by simple plurality voting. As in other Westminster system parliaments the legislature selects the premier, the speaker and the cabinet from amongst themselves, and the government is dependent on retaining the confidence of the legislature. However due to the absence of political parties there is no formal opposition and instead of party caucuses members regularly participate in a caucus of all members of the legislature.[1]
While consensus models of discourse often require that a true consensus be reached, in consensus government policies advanced by the government are decided upon by majority vote; the government must therefore support policies that please a majority of the entire legislature if it wants them to pass. Notions of party discipline are not relevant to such deliberations.
The States of Guernsey (the island's parliament) last endorsed the system of consensus government by committees in 2002, when it rejected by a very significant majority a proposition to replace the system with executive/cabinet-style government.
Consensus government by committees in Guernsey is an alternative to party-based and ministerial government. Government departments are run not by individuals with ministerial authority, but by boards or committees of five members elected by the Assembly (parliament) of 47 members.
All major items of policy are taken to the Assembly, where they are approved, amended or rejected. Most items are determined by simple majority voting.
At the most recent general election of people's deputies (members), all candidates stood as independents without affiliation to any party. Political parties have existed from time to time, but with little success.
In 2009, a majority of members of Guernsey's government signed a letter outlining their continuing commitment to consensus government by committees and opposition to executive/cabinet-style government.
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I don't have a 17 point plan for you, but I know that if we felt like the people who we trusted to guide us with their expertise in law and so forth, heard us more often, I imagine much harmony would blossom as well.
When Bush was quoted as saying " I don't care what public opinion is" people wig out, because they put him there or at least shared in the process. Or. What if, when there was a bombing some one asked 'what is that all about' would further bombing be averted on BOTH sides, know there was a 'Look, this is how I see it' available? What if Obama sat down and poured out his heart for humanity and talked about how a healthy America is a stronger People, more sharp and well able to learn. What if he said to the 'Big Bosses' that if they had healthy people, they have healthy workers and more product to sell? Where could the economy be right now? More people could work, have less hours amongst them individually and there was time to walk in the parks and see your neighbours and wave, instead of waving a finger as they cut you off racing to work for survival?
Well perhaps I did have more to say that I thought
Surprising right?
I am sure John you wish for happiness and safety as we all do, and your concerns are just as valid as anyone. There my be many ways to touch it at once, but I feel that is the one truth.
People who feel valued might even want to get out of bed in the morning and enjoy creating fruits of the labour and get off their penchant
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Thanks for listening.
SageTree