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Originally Posted by verklingen
i think that emptiness and physical material are indistinguishable because matter takes form according to the form of emptiness, and vice versa. you can't say what shapes what because the form is itself a definition; a force of presence that teases its reality into being as much as it scatters the rest of reality away. i see it a lot like how a sculptor chips away at a hunk of rock. the form of his artwork depends both on what is there and what is not there. conscious realization or perception culls out of the same eternal, stable, omnipresent ether all the possible states the ether is capable of. the more sharply focused our consciousness is, the more discreet and orderly the manifestation appears (as with the double slit experiment; the particle is a wave until we look at it, at which time it locks onto a discrete state). is that non-dual or do i miss the mark?
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I like what you had to say there. And can see what you are saying about there and also being made of what's not there. That phenomenology and the bold line is straight Mahayana philosophy and that makes a ton of sense to me.
A quote from above, in the OP, talks about ontology and speculation. In my mind paradoxically adding non-dual to that speculative mix is a metaphor, and suggests to me that perhaps they believe we are only working with in the dichotomies that are proverbially only an inch long on a 25 ft, 3-d tape measure.
Aldous Huxley wrote a cool essay about where he felt God, what have you, existed And in this case I'm thinking of this as more of the Divine Spark or Ah ha-ness of experiencing how it happens, which is sort of what I think we are talking about here
. He stated that is was the pause between, what is there to contrast or what doesn't exist.
And here is the quote I wrote in my journal. Thanks for waiting while I went to get it
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" Beauty arises when the parts of a whole are related to one another and to the totality in a manner which we apprehend as orderly and significant. But the first principle of order is God and is the final and deepest meaning of all that exists. God, then, is manifested in relationships which makes things beautiful. 'He' resides in that interval which harmonizes events on all planes which we discover beauty." Then goes on to say, " Such then is God's beauty, as we apprehend it in the sphere of created things. But, it is also possible for us apprehend in some measure at least, as it is in itself. The beatific vision of divine beauty is the knowledge, so to say, of Pure Potential; of harmonious relationships apart from things realated."
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The example he gives of Beauty-in-Itself is the lovely cloudless sky, beautiful even though there is nothing to bring orderliness or arrangement. That is to say, nothing is in the sky to created that Interval expression.
Now that is what I thought of, and I'm glad I wrote it down so I could share it today. And what I'm getting at there is "we only know what we know and we don't know what we don't know" As Dick Cheney eloquently stated, But what that gets at is we are only testing what we know to test.... What else are we missing or not adding to our understanding. This is the point on Non-dualism in my mind beyond the particular concept itself.
Namaste! and thanks for keeping this on a compassionate note Brother!
SageTree