Welfare drug testing... - Page 3

wellfleation · 04-03-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HYPERFUKBOT

aw man GOD FORBID welfare recipients don't piss away the monthly dole on drugs... that would be a fucking shame...

Dude, its a slippery slope. Sorry I can't be any clearer.

Guest · 04-04-2009, 10:32 AM

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A bill to give medical-marijuana patients better access to the drug stalled in a House committee Friday and is likely dead, deadlocking on a party-line vote.

All eight Republicans on the House Human Services Committee voted against Senate Bill 326 and all eight Democrats voted for it.

SB326, sponsored by Sen. Ron Erickson, D-Missoula, would increase the amount of marijuana that a state-licensed patient or “caregiver” can possess, from one to three ounces. It also increased the number of plants a licensed grower can have and listed additional diseases that can be legally treated with marijuana.

These laws aren't about patients. They're about recreational users who burn a few on the weekends.

Guest · 04-04-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dozer McDozer

hmmm smoking weed use to not make me feel any less depressed or shitty in the past.

why wouldn't someone feel depressed and shitty goin through the bs you endured.

be strong old man... cause thats what bs should do for you... make you stronger and make you greater of mind.

weed for depression gimme a break...

the state of mind it gives you is reachable without it.

Good grief old man.

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Chronic pain (62%), Depression and other mental disorders (30%), Intestinal disorders (12%), Harmful dependence (10%), Migraine (9%) are the most common conditions being treated.

palmspringsbum :: View topic - Marijuana as Medicine Through The Endocannabinoid System

Secondly, I am diagnosed with major clinical depression and do use cannabis for it. But your comments are ignorant, prejudiced, and malicious.

And thirdly, I am also diagnosed bi-polar (probably as a result of toxic shock from taking the prozac and other SSRIs for depression) and ... well ... you REALLY PISS ME OFF.

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Ignorance and mental health issues.

Tod Mikuriya
June 11, 2006

One of the most problematic areas of medicinal cannabis is the bias and denial regarding mental health issues. As a psychiatrist with an ear to the mental and emotional aspects of cannabis as a psychotherapeutic I am painfully aware of physicians from other disciplines that suffer from specific deafness as they listen to the patients describe their issues of anxiety or depression. There is an unconscious or rationalized process to connect with an anatomical or physical problem and ignore or feel uneasy about dealing with emotional or mental illness. In this area moralism and antipathy is expressed by disparaging characterizations of young and seemingly healthy patients getting access to cannabis.

Breaking the stereotype is Tom O'Connell, a thoracic surgeon with the power to listen, who has discovered through in-depth interviews, psychotherapeutic uses for a variety of disorders. Within the medical marijuana activists community, including physicians willing to risk sanctions, there is a strong and virulent disease of moralism and hubris. This morphs into the political realities of the "short list" states. Oregon, is the unfortunate example of what happens when mental disorders (with the exception of Alzheimer's rage reactions) are denied access.

Antipathy toward psychiatric conditions is firmly embedded in the consciousness of England and America. In 1873 and 1893 the British government in India was concerned about the allegation that insane asylums were populated by cannabis caused mental illness.

CCRMG

Exhaustive and extensive discussion resulted in the official finding that moderate used did not have adverse psychiatric effects. Notwithstanding, this myth has persisted. In 1956 Benabud et al. in the International Journal of the Addictions claimed that the Berrechid Mental Hospital near Casablanca, Morocco had significant numbers of cannabis users. This motivated my visit to that facility in 1966 that led to the conclusion that this was another ignorance-based study. The gross inadequacy of diagnostic capabilities and protocol precluded confirmation but added to the pile of bad science. This flawed work can be found on an internet search.

Tod H. Mikuriya, M.D.

This urban legend continues to reappear in the context of political perturbation in England where one might come away with the impression that young Brits were more vulnerable to cannabis than their California counterparts. The fantasies of the institutionally anointed English paint a far more dire picture of cannabis abusing youth.

The psychiatric community maintains denial of the psychotherapeutic properties of cannabis. Contrary to 19th century medical literature citations that described significant psychotherapeutic applications and variable results in neurological and mental conditions, the contemporary consensus in psychiatric literature depicts cannabis use as dysfunction or pathologic. Jerry Mandel reviewed all entries in the psychiatric literature and found no therapeutic applications. The reefer madness consensus of forgetfulness continues today, defended by a policy of denial and censorship. Shortly after 911, I wrote a letter to the APA Journal describing cannabis therapy for the treatment of PTSD symptoms. Not published.

I recently terminated my membership in the American and California Societies of Addiction Medicine for their continuing refusal to acknowledge or discuss cannabis substitution for harm reduction treatment of alcohol and other drug dependencies. Notwithstanding my efforts over the years, they stonewall considering this method I have noted to be a clinically effective alternative. But they rigidly continued to refuse my entreaties over the past thiry years.

http://www.mikuriya.com/cw_alcsub.pdf

This amazing phenomenon of forgetfulness and ignoring historical medical intelligence significantly degrades and attenuates the quality of medicine and science.

Guest · 04-04-2009, 11:01 AM

wellfleation · 04-04-2009, 11:04 AM

You are wacky. Stating a study from the 1800s is like quoting the Bible for being the only possible truth.

Guest · 04-04-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by wellfleation

You are wacky. Stating a study from the 1800s is like quoting the Bible for being the only possible truth.

That's the kind of crap I would expect from NORML.

Firstly, you haven't addressed any of the issues I've raised, or any other issue. All you've done is hurl a very infantile personal attack at me.

Secondly, you didn't have time to read any of my references or sources, or view any of the videos I posted before you hurled your personal attack.

wellfleation · 04-05-2009, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by palmspringsbum

You're the kind of person that would vote for a law "granting" patients the right to have an ounce. In other words, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Good grief yourself, you ignorant, malicious little creep.

Firstly, according to a survey by Fred Gardner in 2006, 30% of medical marijuana patients use it for depression

I guess I'm confused. Are you equating marijuana use with depression? If so, I'll take that premiss, though with much skepticism. So many people self medicate depression with MJ. Are you then saying that the same side effects are there from the use of MJ for depression as from SSRIs? If that is the case I still think you are wacky and those crazy videos (last two) do nothing to prove your arguments and indicate you are emo.

wellfleation · 04-05-2009, 06:18 AM

Oh, and btw, many more people self medicate with alcohol and kill themselves slowly. They are also the same people who become violent while drunk, get into domestics, tend to drink and drive, and so on.

Sorry, I would rather these people self medicate with MJ. You have nothing to back up your claims about MJ. 30% is low, shouldn't punish the 70% who don't have issues. Fuck you.

Flamingnun · 04-05-2009, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by palmspringsbum

What does that have to do with medical marijuana patients?

If it's a legally regulated prescription drug in whatever area, and you were prescribed it, I wouldn't doubt they'd exclude it. The same with people prescribed other pharmaceuticals that would raise flags on a test.

DubStyle311 · 04-05-2009, 10:48 AM

Bottom Line:

The economy is hurting. Poor people are going to have to take a hit on their welfare payments cus the the budget issues. Just like my expense account is taking a hit cus of less revenue.

Mr. Poatheed · 04-05-2009, 10:58 AM

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"Benefits are paid by the state from a special fund. The fund gets its money from employers, who pay a tax specifically for this program."

They are overseeing money that employers have paid in. It is not government money.

tax
/tæks/[taks]
–noun
1. a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.

I'm sorry, how is this not money the government is allowed to regulate?

Guest · 04-05-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wellfleation

Oh, and btw, many more people self medicate with alcohol and kill themselves slowly. They are also the same people who become violent while drunk, get into domestics, tend to drink and drive, and so on.

Sorry, I would rather these people self medicate with MJ. You have nothing to back up your claims about MJ. 30% is low, shouldn't punish the 70% who don't have issues. Fuck you.

I really don't have a clue what you're talking about or what you're trying to say. About the only thing clear is the "fuck you" part.

I assume that is your attitude toward medical marijuana patients in general.

Guest · 04-05-2009, 12:24 PM

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Eviction leaves resident without hope

The Durango Herald
Article Last Updated; Friday, April 03, 2009

I am a resident of Durango with multiple sclerosis and I am also legally blind. I was recently evicted from my HUD supplemented, low income, disability apartment at Tamarin Square for the reason of associating with another tenant who legally smokes medical marijuana. This person was also evicted. I was given a 30-day notice to evict but was told it probably would be worked out and not to worry.

Two days ago I was met at my door by the manager and six sheriff's deputies there to physically remove me. All my belongings were dropped outside on the curb and I was told I was not allowed on the property anymore. This was nine days before I was scheduled to receive my next disability check. I have no idea of where I am to go. I am in a motel today that was paid for by my friends. Where the justice is in this? While I was watching the presidential debates and speeches during the election I was filled with hope that Obama spoke of. Now I really don't have any.

Michael Barbour, Durango

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Maturin · 04-07-2009, 08:37 PM

I think if Obama can force GM's CEO to step down as a condition to get government funds, the government can likewise tell welfare recipients to get drug tested. It's all the same thing, really.

stoneric · 04-08-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Maturin

I think if Obama can force GM's CEO to step down as a condition to get government funds, the government can likewise tell welfare recipients to get drug tested. It's all the same thing, really.

Yeah, it's a condition. That's where any similarity ends. What a stretch.

Maturin · 04-08-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by stoneric

Yeah, it's a condition. That's where any similarity ends. What a stretch.

It's not a stretch at all, really. It's a very obvious parallel. The only difference is in scale.

stoneric · 04-09-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Maturin

It's not a stretch at all, really. It's a very obvious parallel. The only difference is in scale.

You're right.

badgoalie85 · 04-09-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by palmspringsbum

I live on Social Security Disability Retirement.

I am a medical marijuana patient.

MOST medical marijuana patients are on disability.

I am insulted that not one person here thinks we are worth mentioning.

really? you're insulted?

stfu and gtfo with that shit man. you're not entitled to be mentioned by anybody here no more than we're entitled to be mentioned by you.

wellfleation · 04-09-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by palmspringsbum

I really don't have a clue what you're talking about or what you're trying to say. About the only thing clear is the "fuck you" part.

I assume that is your attitude toward medical marijuana patients in general.

You never answered my questions. Perhaps if you did we would be clear with one another.

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Originally Posted by wellfleation

I guess I'm confused. Are you equating marijuana use with depression? If so, I'll take that premiss, though with much skepticism. So many people self medicate depression with MJ. Are you then saying that the same side effects are there from the use of MJ for depression as from SSRIs? If that is the case I still think you are wacky and those crazy videos (last two) do nothing to prove your arguments and indicate you are emo.

Guest · 04-09-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by stateofkane

Palmsprings bum, I agree with you about the anti-depressants. I had to go through paxil withdrawal. Meds never helped me. It is still pathetic that you get weed for depression. The doc who prescribed it to you needs to be examined.

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wellfleation Old School Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Methuen, MASSHOLE Posts: 3,519 Thanks: 150 Thanked 467 Times in 333 Posts	You are wacky. Stating a study from the 1800s is like quoting the Bible for being the only possible truth. __________________ FIGHTPOWER

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wellfleation Old School Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Methuen, MASSHOLE Posts: 3,519 Thanks: 150 Thanked 467 Times in 333 Posts	Oh, and btw, many more people self medicate with alcohol and kill themselves slowly. They are also the same people who become violent while drunk, get into domestics, tend to drink and drive, and so on. Sorry, I would rather these people self medicate with MJ. You have nothing to back up your claims about MJ. 30% is low, shouldn't punish the 70% who don't have issues. Fuck you. __________________ FIGHTPOWER

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DubStyle311 Old School Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: down the highway Posts: 7,229 Thanks: 0 Thanked 80 Times in 65 Posts	Bottom Line: The economy is hurting. Poor people are going to have to take a hit on their welfare payments cus the the budget issues. Just like my expense account is taking a hit cus of less revenue. __________________ I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

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Maturin Hmm? Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Das Kapital Posts: 1,850 Thanks: 89 Thanked 87 Times in 64 Posts	I think if Obama can force GM's CEO to step down as a condition to get government funds, the government can likewise tell welfare recipients to get drug tested. It's all the same thing, really. __________________ "Creating something is not a democracy. The people have no say. The artist does. It doesn't matter what the people witter on about: they and their response comes after. They're not there for the moment of creation." --Russell T Davies

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