SmokeSomeDoja

we should get rid of the bloated, renegade, blood, money, and power lusting organization known as the central intelligence agency.

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Hostile

I have a sneaking suspicion that the CIA could get rid of America before America could get rid of the CIA.

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Dr. Nick Nasty

Great so we're getting the "Rainbow" Power Elite...I guess it makes it easier to inflate and cartelize when you have a rich investor saying it's good--or to bomb assorted Persians and Arabs for their resources when you have dark-skinned neocons (Zakaria) saying it's okay to do so.

disgusting.

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Hedons

I think you greatly overestimate their abilities and competence.

-Hedons

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Ego Tripping

Aye. These guys can barely keep a hooker in their hotel room under wraps.

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TheGodDegree

...Paranoid.

And would it be different if your choice for President got in? Of course.

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Hedons

You're the one sounding paranoid and I don't even know WTF you are talking about?

Can you name me any period in the CIA's history or under any administration where you would characterize the CIA, as an organization, as being competent?

-Hedons

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sput·nik

Maybe we need a thread about the possibilities of social engineering.

It'd be interesting to see what people believe about it.

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Kompressor

Greg Craig selected as White House Counsel.

Greg Craig Selected as White House Counsel

By Michael D. Shear and Anne E. Kornblut
President-elect Barack Obama has chosen Washington lawyer Greg Craig, who served as President Bill Clinton's lead attorney during his impeachment proceedings, to be his White House counsel, according to an individual involved with the transition.

Craig has been a longtime adviser to Bill and Sen. Hillary Clinton, but became a close adviser to Obama during the campaign, reportedly serving as the stand-in for Sen. John McCain during debate preparations.

Transition officials declined to comment. And Craig did not return calls left on his machine.

Craig was a foreign policy adviser to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. He has defended high-profile clients, including John Hinckley Jr., who attempted to assassinate President Ronald Reagan, and Kennedy nephew William Kennedy Smith, who was accused of rape.

But it was his defense of Clinton on the floor of the U.S. Senate during the impeachment trial that vaulted the 63-year-old lawyer to prominence.

As White House counsel, Craig will be responsible for steering the new president through a series of legal thickets that have become controversial during the past eight years, including torture policy and the legal disposition of prisoners at Guantanamo.


Not exactly a Cabinet position, but still pretty important.

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Hostile

Of-course it would. You think Ron Paul would have put up with this shit? The first thing he'd do is cut the funding out from underneath the CIA. They wouldn't be able to afford the bullet to assassinate him with.

Iran-Contra? The JFK assassination? Operation Ajax? MK ULTRA? These are just the things that we know about.

No, the CIA are not an untouchable superhuman spy conspiracy. They are however one of the most reputable intelligence agencies on Earth and easily capable of overthrowing a nation in turmoil.

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verklingen

where the turmoil at? i see resolve.

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Hostile

Which resolve are we talking about, though? The resolve to follow Bush and the Republican party straight to hell, or the resolve to follow Obama and the Democrats straight to hell? You know I appreciate your optimism, but it's hard to deny that great problems exist in today's America. The dollar's globally dead. The borders are being erased. They've elected yet another gun-grabbing anti-constitutionalist. While people talk about Obama embodying the conclusion of Martin Luther King's dream, black Americans still constitute 44% of America's 2 million prison population, something that Obama will never mention. He won't even address the crack-powder disparity, the absolute minimum gesture that any "black" President could make. It's all well and easy to talk about how things are looking up, but they aren't looking up for the 1 in 7 black American children who grow up with a parent in jail. They aren't looking up for all those Americans facing foreclosure within the next decade. They aren't looking up for hopeful independent politicians who get pushed out by electronic vote rigging. Not to mention the wars.

Obama's current "resolve" is to see America within Iraq for at least another 18 months, with absolutely no prospect of a total withdrawal. Dr Paul says we won't even see a partial withdrawal. The out-going commander of the British forces just said that the fight in Afghanistan is unwinnable, and yet that's exactly where Obama wants to direct the remaining dregs of the American military, to keep killing innocent Afghanis, Pakistanis and Syrians. That's completely neglecting to mention his repeated threats against Iran and Russia.

Meanwhile you've got an increasing number of Army units active on American soil in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, you've got previously unimagined foreign debt at a time when the President-elect wants to increase federal spending by at least 200 billion, you've got the Bill of Rights STILL in tatters with absolutely no prospect of Obama fixing it, you've got unprecedented ill health with cancer raging out of control, and now everybody seems to be threatening a terrorist attack in January, which you can guarantee will be just as fake as the last one.

There's turmoil man, and the "resolve", as far as I can see, has been neatly redirected into support for the latest New World Order shill who's going to fix everything for them. The greatest dissenting voice is the idiots who think Obama is a communist and that what they really need is a third Bush Presidency. People like me and you, on the global scale, sadly don't amount to much when measured against the sheer weight of ignorance and the sheer might of intelligence threatened by the American public and the CIA respectively.

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verklingen

you said the country was in turmoil but you're not describing turmoil, you're describing your fears. in response i can only say i do not share any of those fears. in fact think things are going swimmingly and i'm feeling good about the position we are in as a global society. i feel like we're on the cusp of something no one's ever really expected, and for once that means something good!

they're talking about terrorist attacks in january now, eh? sure it'll be just as fake as the last, just like every other forewarned strike was fake. . . except those were so fake they didn't even happen!

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Hostile

I'm not describing my fears. The massive devaluation of the dollar is not a fear, it is a fact. The massive imprisonment of the black community is not a fear, it is a fact. The continuation of American war is not a fear, it is a fact. It's a fact that Obama doesn't want to withdraw from Iraq, that he wants massive spending increases, that he has proposed nothing to return American liberty. If I was saying "I'm worried these things will pass", that would be me describing my fears, but we both know I'm not. I'm discussing fact. When your economy is shot, your politicians are corrupt and your people are trapped in a crypto-apartheid prison state, that's turmoil, surely?

Everybody's talking about terrorist attacks in January. Biden promised there would be a "generated crisis". He said, and I quote, "here's the point I want to make. Mark my words. Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy." He also promised that Obama's response would be unpopular and that America's righteousness will not always be apparent in it's actions during said crisis.

I don't understand how you can say things are going swimmingly. Perhaps your life is, but what about the millions dead in the Middle East, and further death with no end in sight? What about the global food shortages? These are problems we don't currently have solutions to, and the only people with the power necessary to provide practical solutions are completely corrupt and anti-human. I understand and respect that you like to keep an optimistic outlook, but specifically, what can you find positive about these problems?

Positive or negative, can you approximate what it is that we're on the cusp of?

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verklingen

you fear the continuation of those things, when actually anything is possible.

what we are on the cusp of, i feel, is that realization. for too long people have expected what has happened. the world has been caught in a cycle of war, death, and inequity. it's time to break that cycle, and we did it symbolically by electing a black man president. i believe that, soon, the gesture will move beyond symbolism. and it's not that i like to keep an optimistic outlook, it's that i see absolutely nothing to refute my optimistic outlook. because yeah, war is happening. death is happening. hunger is happening. but that doesn't mean those things must continue happening or that there is no solution for the people to whom they are happening. you say the people who can solve them are corrupt and anti-human? why think they are able, but not those who suffer through it? that's what we're on the cusp of man, empowerment. and it's about fucking time.

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Ego Tripping

Unity.

To some, that's a global prison NWO style of Unity, forced upon us by the Global Elite to ensure that we remain pawns in their chess game, tracked by RFID chips until they lead us to the slaughterhouse(s).

To others, it's an awareness of our interconnectedness to the degree in which we have no more ability to use the same old style ways of solving our problems (war, violence, greed, etc..). A new and more holistic and responsible view of solutions must be adopted to ensure the survival of not only the masses but those who also seek to control the masses. Call it a global humbling, if you will.

I'm with Verk, I've never felt better about the world I live in. But both of these outcomes are equally likely in the future. Nobody knows for sure what we're on the cusp of, so really, it's really just about making the choice of what you want to see happen, rather than what you think will happen.

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Ego Tripping

It's funny how even the people who are supposedly standing for "truth" and "freedom" are scaring the people just as much as the mainstream media is with empty threats. I guess just because it goes against what the government says about what is happening, automatically makes it truthful. Like the people pushing the information on all sides don't have a vested interest in keeping people scared and continuously reading their "truth."

Whatever happened to individual thinking that doesn't lean towards negative outlooks? Strange that 'waking up' has to be more akin to Neo's shock rather than a piercing of the veil to reveal the beauty of the way things 'actually are.' *shrug*

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Ego Tripping

I'd also like to add that I, too, see the immensity of the problems at hand. But the ability to solve these problems positively, is directly equivalent to the ability to envision a positive solution in the first place. You can't really get much work done when all you do is focus on all the work you have left to do and think to yourself, "How the hell can I do all this work? I'm just one person!" You have to adopt a perspective that you are not alone and that we, as a race of human beings, are endlessly innovating and seemingly full of surprises, as Obama's election demonstrates.

If you can see the solution, the solution can be made manifest. It's just 'how the world works.'

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Dr. Nick Nasty

I'll take liberty over some concept of Unity or any extreme form of collectivism which supplants individual thought and consciousness for loyalty to the Dear Leader, his State and its Corporate Masters.

That doesn't mean I am a complete pessimistic asshole either...I actually see the potential ineptitude of Obama bringing about the real decentralized bottom up activism and tumult needed to restore our Republic through tax revolts, mass demonstrations, etc. that we saw in the 1930s and 1960s that made the power elite step up and take notice of the concerns of us regular 'rabble'. What happens when the false messiah can't deliver? It will be interesting...

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Ego Tripping

That's the first option of Unity, which isn't Unity at all, it's indoctrination. Big difference!

I don't think he will deliver much of anything at all, except the one thing that is important, which is empowerment, as Verk said. It seems that we might have a President on our hands that actually WILL listen to the masses and enable change to occurr without riots and tax revolts. I don't know for sure, but it's just a future that I choose to see. If not, then count me in on the next Tea Party.

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