Kompressor

Take your blowhard nonsenses to other threads, this one's about people directly.

Thank you, come again.

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Dr. Nick Nasty

I'm sorry, but given who he is stacking the cabinet with and all the Clintonite neoliberal retreads he has on his transition team gives me little hope that he will listen to the people. But I respect that you want to see this as an event with positive potential and will gladly reserve you a spot at the next Tea Party if (When?) it becomes necessary.

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Hostile

Surely we're as empowered as we're ever going to be? I mean we're already independent human beings with (in theory) all four limbs and a working brain each. We can already stand up and fight. In general terms, what greater measure of empowerment is going to come, and what indicates it?

The corrupt establishment are capable of dealing death far more efficiently than you and I can prevent it because they are a centralised force, working through a network of power. You and I have been systematically shut out of those networks. I think it's going to take a lot more than token empowerment to get us in.

My only problem with this sentiment is that the NWO model shows a trackable history of steady progression, while the 'human one-ness' has been promised since, I dunno, the birth of Buddhism maybe, and yet still no sign.

Maybe reality is scary?

All Obama's election demonstrates is that Americans are endlessly gormless. Forget about race for a second. What does Obama stand for? He wants troops in Iraq for 18+ months more, he wants to increase the war in Afghanistan, he wants to attack Iran, Pakistan, Syria. He wants more drug war. He wants more police state fascism. He wants more of the Neocon policies.

Where's the surprise, the endless innovation? Those wacky paranoid loonies that you seem to resent so much perfectly predicted this sequence of events. I was telling everyone that Obama would win because the anti-war crowd would be suckered into voting for a pro-war candidate. And they did. And he won. Now he's surrounding himself with warmongering Zionist scum and talking about compulsory service to the state. Nobody would have voted for him if they'd known he'd do that, nobody would have voted for him if they'd listened to the pessimists and realists. Sadly, we're right a lot of the time.

Be the change you want to see in the world, right. I want people to start being less complacent. I want them to be worried about the future rather than merely squatting in the present and letting everything we're destined for get snatched away. I want the whole damn world to rise up against evil, but it ain't gonna happen until we recognise that the evil exists, right?

Regarding liberty or unity, right on NickNasty. The problem is that the statist mentality is that it's too thick by nature to distinguish between unity and uniformity. Humans want to stand together, not be bound together.

That sounds fancy, and it's probably not too far away: Celente predicts tax rebellions by 2012

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verklingen

now you're changing tracks on me, but yes we too are in the process of becoming empowered. we CAN stand up and fight, but many are only now realizing it and even more will follow. you can't solve anything if you don't notice a problem to begin with, you know? many people are waking up to the problems around them, and as they rub the shit out of their eyes they're noticing unexpected solutions. one such solution has been to elect a black man to the presidency, if for no other reason than the hope for change. if for some reason or another he fails to deliver, the fervor to toss him out come next election cycle will be earth-shattering. maybe we'll feel empowered to do something even more extraordinary like flood the ballot boxes with third party votes. who can say, really? but the indication is there if you'll see it.

in my opinion such centralization is detrimental because the network of power is designed to operate under a set of assumptions which are no longer feasible. for every system of governance throughout the globe that means either a top-down realization of the system's errors or a bottom-up restructuring of the system itself, both of which will have a way of adjusting social/political/diplomatic/military attitudes to be more in line, as far as feasibility is concerned, with our respective local and global situations. though it may take more than token empowerment -- such as our electing obama -- to get this done, token empowerment is a good first step.

edit: i try not to respond in someone's stead but i must comment on the following,

really? what about all the predictions that fell flat? are only those which can somehow be construed to meet the facts pertinent? the fact is that none of us can really say shit with any amount of certitude. we can feel confident and that's fine, but while we're basing it on feelings why not do so upon good, empowering feelings? i.e. have you felt empowered waiting for the next false flag strike, or were you simply taken on a crappy ride aboard the shitville express? do you really wanna buy another ticket, same destination? i think that's what ego's trying to express.

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Hostile

Well I've said it before and I agree with you, there is a change in the winds and people do seem to be demonstrating a greater awareness of the world around them. In Britain I know from experience that the sensation of the 'police state' encroaching upon our liberties has never been more strongly felt. I just can't ken to the idea of Obama as a solution. Obama is the ultimate manifestation of the problem, a big fat tumour testifying to the existence of the cancer. 2008 was supposed to be the year of Ron Paul but, just like the cynics said, the establishment provided a decoy to draw attention away from him. When truth and freedom brought out their biggest gun, the NWO brought out their own. I'm not doubting the power of the Ron Paul Revolution and the victories it embodies, I'm just sad to see it overshadowed by the immense failure of the American people to see through the façade. What I take away from that isn't the notion that the American people can't save themselves, only that it's going to take a very long time, and we can easily expect both of our lifetimes to see nothing but the same sequence of left/right puppets exchanging meaningless titles while the war machine rolls on.

I'm convinced that the election of Obama is a call for disempowerment. It's what Alex Jones refers to as the "silver bullet solution", the idea that one perfect action can kill the beast and win the cause. There is no silver bullet, but tell that to the Obamabots dancing in the streets and screaming that all their worries are over. The Obama 'thing' was a media-driven fad, and now that he's elected, those who temporarily cared will lull back into disinterest and those who don't will do what most victims of the cult of personality do and bend their own perceptions of reality to fit the leader's myth. How did Bush supporters convince themselves that Saddam had WMDs? The same way Obama supports convince themselves to believe in change without catalyst.

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verklingen

thanks for the response man as always i respect what you have to say. but isn't the notion of a "silver bullet solution" a bit short sighted, both in its practical application and mr jones' musing upon its possible results? if the werewolf keeps coming after you no amount of sheep's clothing is going to keep you from trying something different. life is progressive, and i hate to say it but alex jones is exactly the kind of person i'd expect to hear such short-sighted, black-and-white reasoning from.

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Hostile

Well that's exactly his point, there is no silver bullet solution. That's why everybody needs to do what they can individually rather than waiting for some magical solution to fall into their laps. That's why the price of liberty is eternal vigilance, because the monster can't be put down, it has be fought constantly.

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verklingen

but don't you think it's likely for people to recognize its futility and move on to a better strategy after having tried a silver bullet solution? but what you say rings true. sounds suspiciously like empowerment wouldn't you say.

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Hostile

Well yeah, the 'lets beat the shit outa that werewolf' model is pretty empowering, I'm only criticising the 'lets wait around for a silver bullet' model.

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Ego Tripping

So why isn't Alex Jones leading a group of people to pound the shit out of the werewolf? Is he waiting for the inevitable martial law that he, on a weekly basis, says is coming possibly tomorrow? Won't it be too late? Where's the 'lock n' load' that I see commented all over his articles on his site? Where's the 'feel the freedom', except in your ability to order another DVD of 'Endgame' to get the 'truth'?

Sorry, AJ is a total tool like any other media source, driven by fear to increase his cash flow. He and his listeners don't believe a bit of his drivel because if they did, they would actually take action.

How the hell can you criticize people having hope in potential positive change when you won't bother to take the first step in enacting the violent change that you feel must happen to make take down these 'elite'?

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Ego Tripping

As Verk said, don't you think that is a little to black and white? I'm not sure if I am reading your posts or streaming AJ radio shows anymore.

Who's evil is the world rising up against? In many people's eyes, we did exactly that on the 'war on terror.' Sure, you might feel that it's a farce (as do I), but my point being is that you can't define Evil in the first place, so how to rise against it? And once you rise against it, how do you ensure you don't become what you hate?

Furthermore, once we topple the 'evil global elite' (whoever they are, where ever they are), who do you put in place that you you trust enough not to do the same thing? What kind of governing do you enact afterwards?

I hate to quote, of all things, American politics, but what AJ and others are proposing is taking a hatchet where the scalpel is truly needed. His recipe for 'revolution' is as if not more dangerous than the current state of affairs. The world is not evil and good, black and white. There's incredible complexity surrounding his seemingly simple ideas for "revolution."

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Kompressor

Eric H. Holder Jr. new Attorney General.



Mr. Holder first met Mr. Obama at a small dinner party in 2004 welcoming him to Washington. The two lawyers, each the son of immigrant fathers, were seated next to each other at the dinner, and Mr. Holder said he was immediately impressed by the new senator.

Mr. Holder went on to serve as an adviser to Mr. Obama’s campaign on legal issues and served on the two-member vice-presidential selection team that led to the choice of Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. as Mr. Obama’s running mate.

Now in private practice as a partner at the Washington law firm of Covington & Burling, Mr. Holder served as a federal prosecutor, a trial court judge, and United States attorney for the District of Columbia before becoming the top-ranking aide to Attorney General Janet Reno in 1997. He was regarded as a strong ally for federal prosecutors and helped shape Mr. Clinton’s program to put 100,000 police officers on the street.

His last days at the Justice Department in 2001 were marred by his peripheral involvement in Mr. Clinton’s pardon of the fugitive financier Marc Rich, as Republicans sharply criticized Mr. Holder as failing to oppose the pardon and allowing the White House to bypass the normal pardon review process at the Justice Department.

Mr. Holder told the Clinton White House at the time that he was “neutral, leaning toward favorable” on the idea of pardoning Mr. Rich, whose former wife, Denise Rich, had contributed heavily to Mr. Clinton’s presidential library.

Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, the ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee, which reviews nominees for attorney general, told reporters on Tuesday that while he had not taken any position on the prospect of Mr. Holder as attorney general, his role in the pardon of Mr. Rich should be “a factor to consider” in any confirmation.

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Kompressor

Tom Daschle selected as Health Secretary.

Here's the breakdown so far:

DEFENSE SECRETARY
Defense Secretary Robert Gates.
Former Navy Secretary Richard Danzig.
Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., critic of Iraq war, retiring from Senate.
Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., member of Senate Armed Services Committee.

TREASURY SECRETARY
Timothy Geithner, president of Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
Former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker.
Lawrence Summers, former treasury secretary and one-time Harvard University president.

SECRETARY OF STATE
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-NY, former first lady and onetime rival of Obama's for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Gov. Bill Richardson, D-N.M., former U.N. ambassador and energy secretary.
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., 2004 presidential nominee.
Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., critic of Iraq war, retiring from Senate.
Richard Holbrooke, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

ATTORNEY GENERAL
Eric Holder, former deputy attorney general.

HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SECRETARY
Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D.

HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY
Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano.
Tim Roemer, former Indiana congressman and member of the 9/11 commission.
Ray Kelly, New York police commissioner.
Former Navy Secretary Richard Danzig.
Richard Clarke, a counterterrorism official in Republican and Democratic administrations.
James Lee Witt, former FEMA director.
Los Angeles Police Chief Bill Bratton.
Former New Jersey Gov. Tom Kean, chairman of 9/11 commission.
Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., chairwoman of Homeland Security intelligence subcommittee.

CIA DIRECTOR
John Brennan, former director of the National Counterterrorism Center

NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE DIRECTOR
Tim Roemer, former Indiana congressman and member of the 9/11 commission.
Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., chairwoman of Homeland Security intelligence subcommittee.
Jami Miscik, former head of CIA's analytical operations.

NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER
James B. Steinberg, former deputy national security adviser.
Susan Rice, former assistant secretary of state for African affairs.

ENERGY SECRETARY
Dan Reicher, director of climate change and energy initiatives at Google, former assistant energy secretary in charge of efficiency and renewable energy programs in the Clinton administration.
Former Rep. Philip Sharp, D-Ind., president of Resources for the Future think tank.
Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius.

INTERIOR SECRETARY
Former Oregon Gov. John Kitzhaber.
Former Alaska Gov. Tony Knowles.
Sen. Ken Salazar, D-Colo., former executive director of Colorado Natural Resources Department.

EPA ADMINISTRATOR
Lisa P. Jackson, commissioner of New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection.
Mary Nichols, head of California Air Resources Board.
Kathleen McGinty, former secretary of Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection.

HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT SECRETARY
Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C.

LABOR SECRETARY
Ed McElroy, former president of the American Federation of Teachers
Former Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri
Linda Chavez-Thompson, former AFL-CIO vice president
Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., chairman of House Education and Labor Committee.
Former Rep. David Bonior, member of Obama's Transition Economic Advisory Board.
Andy Stern, president of Service Employees International Union.
Maria Echaveste, former Clinton White House adviser.

COMMERCE SECRETARY
Penny Pritzker, business executive, Obama fundraiser.
Laura D'Andrea Tyson, former chair of White House Council of Economic Advisers under President Clinton.
Bill Richardson, Gov. of New Mexico

OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET DIRECTOR
Peter Orszag, director of Congressional Budget Office.

EDUCATION SECRETARY
Colin Powell, former secretary of state, former chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Former North Carolina Gov. Jim Hunt.
Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano.
Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius.
New York schools chief Joel Klein.
Arne Duncan, chief executive officer of Chicago public schools.
Inez Tenenbaum, former South Carolina schools superintendent.
Linda Darling-Hammond, education professor at Stanford University.
Jon Schnur, CEO and co-founder New Leaders for new Schools.
House education committee Chairman George Miller of California.

TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY
Jane Garvey, former head of Federal Aviation Administration.
Rep. James Oberstar, D-Minn., chairman of House Transportation Committee.
Mortimer Downey, former deputy transportation secretary.
Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., member of the House Transportation Committee.

AGRICULTURE SECRETARY
Former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack.
Tom Buis, president of National Farmers Union.
Former Rep. Charles Stenholm, D-Texas.

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SmokeSomeDoja

its telling in a way the positions that have already been filled.

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Hostile

Ego, have you ever listened to the Alex Jones Show? I know you claimed you did, but I have my doubts. I mean, it doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about. Jones doesn't advocate violent revolution. What he advocates is infowar, the peaceful dissemination of information, which is the direct action you were lamenting a lack of. I've also never heard Jones use the word "revolution" in a positive context outside of the Ron Paul Revolution. Considering the amount of effort Jones has put into pushing various pro-constitution politicians, and considering that he boasts to be working "in defence of the Republic", the idea of him as some kind of anti-government revolutionary is completely absurd. If you don't understand these basic positions, I don't see how you can lecture me on what "AJ and others" believe.

I can't believe you actually feel that I want 'violent change'. Do you understand what a metaphor is? Nobody is literally beating the shit out of a werewolf just like nobody is literally looking for a silver bullet. I'm a pacifist. I don't know how you could possibly come to any other conclusion about me.

Basically, my only point is that you need to achieve some higher ground before you start talking down to me.

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Kompressor

Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitan picked as Homeland Security Secretary. I guess being from Arizona gives her immigration experience... dunno how good or bad that is...

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Kompressor

Timothy Geithner is the new Treasury Secretary and Lawrence Summers as head of the National Economic Council. Obama also has settled on New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson as his Commerce Secretary.

Geithner is no Buffet but I'd say he's a solid pick.

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Jesus H. Christ

Ms. Hillary is sharp, cunning and strong as steel. It was an unbelievable fuckup on the Obama Child's part to pick such a powerful loose cannon as sec state. The Lord is troubled by this... very troubled.

WHAT the hell was he thinking?

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Hedons

I hope Obama does a good job with the presidency; I sincerely do. So far though, I'm not very impressed with his cabinet choices. Or perhaps I'm missing something here...Do President Elect Obama's cabinet choices somehow represent "change"?

-Hedons

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