First Try with Ebb & Flow

keepsmokin · 11-23-2008, 09:38 AM

Hey guys,

I just noticed that it has been 17 months since I last logged in, wow!

Well I am back and going to be working on a new grow. I am going to try out and ebb and flow system for my first time. Since my last grow I have done a few upgrades...

Replaced flouros and 150w HPS with a single 600w Digital HPS in a sealed reflector with both an intake and exhaust fan on the cooling lines. I am now constantly monitoring my pH and ppm levels twice a daily with the addition of a Hanna GroCheck. This is something that I never did before and have no clue what difference it was making. I have also replaced my DWC buckets with a 3x3 ebb and flow table. I have plans for (25) of these little pots to sit on it 5 wide and 5 deep.

I am currently using the same nutrients as last time (FoxFarm) and will be switching to a new blend for flower this time. I do have a question about the medium that I should be using. Is hydroton the best in these pots? The store clerk assures me that it is however a mentor of mine tells me CoCoTek.

Any advise?

Dandaweedman · 11-23-2008, 11:32 AM

I've always wanted to do some hydro growing so I'm subscribing to this one.

keepsmokin · 11-23-2008, 07:03 PM

Hey guys, a little more about the grow...

I have started out with 3 mothers (i hope) in a DWC since I have full confidence in myself with that setup. The girls are 4 weeks old today and are doing well, pictures to come soon. They will hopefully give me enough clones to fill my tray. I will only be leaving the clones in fox farm nuts until they are 30 days old. They will then be switched into this other stuff I was sold on. I think I will be sticking with hydroton as my medium due to my familiarity with it.

I am hoping for clones to be taken with the next 2-3 weeks and they will veg for another 4 after that before flowering. So that is 6-7 more weeks of veg, but I hope that it will pay off. Right now the only problem that I have is keeping the room warm. This is nice since I have always had to battle the heat. Right now I am maintaining a temp of 67-72. ph is perfectly set to 6.3 with a ppm level of 630. The only low number I have is my humidity, it hovers right around 20%. Is this going to cause any problems?

Dandaweedman · 11-23-2008, 07:07 PM

It will cause the plants to put forth more effort into hydration, but if other factors are good it should be a very slight decrease in production.

DWC? deep water culture right? Is that where the roots hang in the water and there are bubblers etc?

keepsmokin · 11-23-2008, 11:19 PM

Well maybe I can do something with a humidifier. It seems to be the heater drying out the air. You are right about the DWC. Here is my last grow log using DWC.

http://www.yahooka.com/forum/hidden-...d-attempt.html

keepsmokin · 11-24-2008, 02:40 PM

$13, cant beat that considering I paid $129 for a 3x3 at the shop.

My main concern with the EF setup is that the roots have nowhere to hide from the light if they come out the side or bottom of the buckets. How does this work?

Also, is 25 going to be too many to try on a 3x3 tray in a 4x4 room?

Dandaweedman · 11-24-2008, 08:42 PM

That's a good tip on the tray, thanks

keepsmokin · 11-25-2008, 10:17 AM

Smallarms, you state that the tray above is ready with 24 5" sites. Would you actually try to flower 24 plants that close together and in those size pots?

Peace seeker · 11-25-2008, 11:11 AM

bookmarked

lookin fwd to pics

keepsmokin · 11-25-2008, 03:57 PM

There is not much yet to take pictures of. Here is a picture of the 3 mothers to be in their DWC setup.

**farmergiles** · 11-25-2008, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keepsmokin

Replaced flouros and 150w HPS with a single 600w Digital HPS in a sealed reflector with both an intake and exhaust fan on the cooling lines. I am now constantly monitoring my pH and ppm levels twice a daily with the addition of a Hanna GroCheck. This is something that I never did before and have no clue what difference it was making.

Air cooled reflectors ftw!

You did hydro without checking pH? You crazy gardner you!

Excellent thread, will be watching with interest.

keepsmokin · 11-25-2008, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmergiles

Air cooled reflectors ftw!

You did hydro without checking pH? You crazy gardner you!

Tell me about it, that was my first through third grows and this will be my fourth. Hey it worked before, so I'm back to learn/show the difference it will make when you pay attention to the details.

keepsmokin · 11-25-2008, 04:16 PM

I will start posting a simple thread every day or few days with the current conditions within my closet for my own record. Take notes, use for your own reference, use to help me out or just plain ignore them.

At lights on...

pH : 6.48 (lowered to 6.22 with a splash of ph down)
ppm : 646
Res Temp : 64F
Room Temp : 64F
Humidity : 29%

keepsmokin · 11-25-2008, 06:28 PM

I can definitely put the stretch on these girls. Right now their fluorescent light is about 2" above them. Raising the light should provide the stretch?

I would much rather go with the best 16 clones out of the 25 that I plan to take, we will just watch and see where it goes. Appreciate the advise!

keepsmokin · 11-25-2008, 06:47 PM

Wanna see a tank? lol

Here is stout!
http://www.yahooka.com/forum/hidden-...l#post51079063

Peace seeker · 11-25-2008, 11:42 PM

Mom's look good and you seem to have your set up dialed in.

29% RH isnt ideal, but isnt a real problem either. As the plants grow, so will the RH%. Maybe a wet towel or a bucket of water will bring it up to 40%. Give em a coupla weeks growth and your RH will improve.

64F lights on : You could raise that one a little bit to 75F maybe..

Whats your lights-off temps btw?

keepsmokin · 11-26-2008, 09:07 PM

5 hours after lights on...

pH : 6.28
ppm : 660
Res Temp : 71F
Room Temp : 74F
Humidity : 21%

Peace seeker · 11-26-2008, 11:40 PM

numbers look good.

Just get the RH up a little. Did u put a bucket of water in there?

keepsmokin · 11-27-2008, 07:55 AM

I have not done anything to correct the RH as of yet.

Peace seeker · 11-27-2008, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keepsmokin

I have not done anything to correct the RH as of yet.

RH will sort itself out when the plants get bigger

Prolly, by flowering time you ll want to lower it

11-23-2008, 09:38 AM	#1 (permalink)
keepsmokin MeTookan Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 397 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	First Try with Ebb & Flow Hey guys, I just noticed that it has been 17 months since I last logged in, wow! Well I am back and going to be working on a new grow. I am going to try out and ebb and flow system for my first time. Since my last grow I have done a few upgrades... Replaced flouros and 150w HPS with a single 600w Digital HPS in a sealed reflector with both an intake and exhaust fan on the cooling lines. I am now constantly monitoring my pH and ppm levels twice a daily with the addition of a Hanna GroCheck. This is something that I never did before and have no clue what difference it was making. I have also replaced my DWC buckets with a 3x3 ebb and flow table. I have plans for (25) of these little pots to sit on it 5 wide and 5 deep. I am currently using the same nutrients as last time (FoxFarm) and will be switching to a new blend for flower this time. I do have a question about the medium that I should be using. Is hydroton the best in these pots? The store clerk assures me that it is however a mentor of mine tells me CoCoTek. Any advise? __________________ "I do not condone the cultivation of illlegal substances, nor do i like to partake in any illegal activities. I live a serious life and like to role-play in my spare time in fictional senerios (like this) as a way to calm down. Text posted by this username are false and photos posted are stolen images from the internet.

11-23-2008, 11:32 AM	#2 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,414 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	I've always wanted to do some hydro growing so I'm subscribing to this one. __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

11-23-2008, 07:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
keepsmokin MeTookan Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 397 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Hey guys, a little more about the grow... I have started out with 3 mothers (i hope) in a DWC since I have full confidence in myself with that setup. The girls are 4 weeks old today and are doing well, pictures to come soon. They will hopefully give me enough clones to fill my tray. I will only be leaving the clones in fox farm nuts until they are 30 days old. They will then be switched into this other stuff I was sold on. I think I will be sticking with hydroton as my medium due to my familiarity with it. I am hoping for clones to be taken with the next 2-3 weeks and they will veg for another 4 after that before flowering. So that is 6-7 more weeks of veg, but I hope that it will pay off. Right now the only problem that I have is keeping the room warm. This is nice since I have always had to battle the heat. Right now I am maintaining a temp of 67-72. ph is perfectly set to 6.3 with a ppm level of 630. The only low number I have is my humidity, it hovers right around 20%. Is this going to cause any problems? __________________ "I do not condone the cultivation of illlegal substances, nor do i like to partake in any illegal activities. I live a serious life and like to role-play in my spare time in fictional senerios (like this) as a way to calm down. Text posted by this username are false and photos posted are stolen images from the internet.

11-23-2008, 07:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,414 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	It will cause the plants to put forth more effort into hydration, but if other factors are good it should be a very slight decrease in production. DWC? deep water culture right? Is that where the roots hang in the water and there are bubblers etc? __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

11-23-2008, 11:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
keepsmokin MeTookan Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 397 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Well maybe I can do something with a humidifier. It seems to be the heater drying out the air. You are right about the DWC. Here is my last grow log using DWC. http://www.yahooka.com/forum/hidden-...d-attempt.html __________________ "I do not condone the cultivation of illlegal substances, nor do i like to partake in any illegal activities. I live a serious life and like to role-play in my spare time in fictional senerios (like this) as a way to calm down. Text posted by this username are false and photos posted are stolen images from the internet.

11-24-2008, 02:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
keepsmokin MeTookan Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 397 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	$13, cant beat that considering I paid $129 for a 3x3 at the shop. My main concern with the EF setup is that the roots have nowhere to hide from the light if they come out the side or bottom of the buckets. How does this work? Also, is 25 going to be too many to try on a 3x3 tray in a 4x4 room? __________________ "I do not condone the cultivation of illlegal substances, nor do i like to partake in any illegal activities. I live a serious life and like to role-play in my spare time in fictional senerios (like this) as a way to calm down. Text posted by this username are false and photos posted are stolen images from the internet.

11-24-2008, 08:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,414 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	That's a good tip on the tray, thanks __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

11-25-2008, 10:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
keepsmokin MeTookan Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 397 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Smallarms, you state that the tray above is ready with 24 5" sites. Would you actually try to flower 24 plants that close together and in those size pots? __________________ "I do not condone the cultivation of illlegal substances, nor do i like to partake in any illegal activities. I live a serious life and like to role-play in my spare time in fictional senerios (like this) as a way to calm down. Text posted by this username are false and photos posted are stolen images from the internet.

11-25-2008, 11:11 AM	#9 (permalink)
Peace seeker free the herb Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,830 Thanks: 749 Thanked 530 Times in 376 Posts	bookmarked lookin fwd to pics

11-25-2008, 03:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
keepsmokin MeTookan Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 397 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	There is not much yet to take pictures of. Here is a picture of the 3 mothers to be in their DWC setup. Attached Images __________________ "I do not condone the cultivation of illlegal substances, nor do i like to partake in any illegal activities. I live a serious life and like to role-play in my spare time in fictional senerios (like this) as a way to calm down. Text posted by this username are false and photos posted are stolen images from the internet.

11-25-2008, 04:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
keepsmokin MeTookan Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 397 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Daily Status / Current Conditions DAY 25 I will start posting a simple thread every day or few days with the current conditions within my closet for my own record. Take notes, use for your own reference, use to help me out or just plain ignore them. At lights on... pH : 6.48 (lowered to 6.22 with a splash of ph down) ppm : 646 Res Temp : 64F Room Temp : 64F Humidity : 29% __________________ "I do not condone the cultivation of illlegal substances, nor do i like to partake in any illegal activities. I live a serious life and like to role-play in my spare time in fictional senerios (like this) as a way to calm down. Text posted by this username are false and photos posted are stolen images from the internet. Last edited by keepsmokin; 11-25-2008 at 04:21 PM. Reason: updated after corrective action

11-25-2008, 06:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
keepsmokin MeTookan Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 397 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	I can definitely put the stretch on these girls. Right now their fluorescent light is about 2" above them. Raising the light should provide the stretch? I would much rather go with the best 16 clones out of the 25 that I plan to take, we will just watch and see where it goes. Appreciate the advise! __________________ "I do not condone the cultivation of illlegal substances, nor do i like to partake in any illegal activities. I live a serious life and like to role-play in my spare time in fictional senerios (like this) as a way to calm down. Text posted by this username are false and photos posted are stolen images from the internet.

11-25-2008, 06:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
keepsmokin MeTookan Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 397 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Wanna see a tank? lol Here is stout! http://www.yahooka.com/forum/hidden-...l#post51079063 __________________ "I do not condone the cultivation of illlegal substances, nor do i like to partake in any illegal activities. I live a serious life and like to role-play in my spare time in fictional senerios (like this) as a way to calm down. Text posted by this username are false and photos posted are stolen images from the internet.

11-25-2008, 11:42 PM	#16 (permalink)
Peace seeker free the herb Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,830 Thanks: 749 Thanked 530 Times in 376 Posts	Mom's look good and you seem to have your set up dialed in. 29% RH isnt ideal, but isnt a real problem either. As the plants grow, so will the RH%. Maybe a wet towel or a bucket of water will bring it up to 40%. Give em a coupla weeks growth and your RH will improve. 64F lights on : You could raise that one a little bit to 75F maybe.. Whats your lights-off temps btw?

11-26-2008, 09:07 PM	#17 (permalink)
keepsmokin MeTookan Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 397 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Current Conditions / Day 26 5 hours after lights on... pH : 6.28 ppm : 660 Res Temp : 71F Room Temp : 74F Humidity : 21% __________________ "I do not condone the cultivation of illlegal substances, nor do i like to partake in any illegal activities. I live a serious life and like to role-play in my spare time in fictional senerios (like this) as a way to calm down. Text posted by this username are false and photos posted are stolen images from the internet.

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11-26-2008, 11:40 PM	#18 (permalink)
Peace seeker free the herb Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,830 Thanks: 749 Thanked 530 Times in 376 Posts	numbers look good. Just get the RH up a little. Did u put a bucket of water in there?

11-27-2008, 07:55 AM	#19 (permalink)
keepsmokin MeTookan Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 397 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	I have not done anything to correct the RH as of yet. __________________ "I do not condone the cultivation of illlegal substances, nor do i like to partake in any illegal activities. I live a serious life and like to role-play in my spare time in fictional senerios (like this) as a way to calm down. Text posted by this username are false and photos posted are stolen images from the internet.

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