Jack X Chitral, 1st grow, need help

seaflo · 01-09-2009, 10:52 AM

http://www.yahooka.com/forum/attachm...1&d=1231522347

This is the first time growing this strain and am hopeful that the experts here can help. Started some beans that a friend gave. Jack X Chitral. They were given a year ago and only 4 out of the 10 sprouted. Early in their development, 2nd week in veg, one developed "wilt" and it passed. I cloned the plant and they are responding well. The photo attached is the remaining 3's 4th week.

I have never had plants in my E&F system be so short, although they are very bushy, in their 4th week. Normally they are over 2' where these are only 14" to 18" tall.

I have rigorously maintained a good environment, 4'x4'x7' grow cab well vented and clean, am using a large bank (3.5' x 3.5') of large CFLs (I can vary the location and amount of light and this has been very successful before); the girls are on a 20/4 schedule now.

The E&F rez is changed every week with daily monitoring on the PH & PPMs. I use organic nutes and some additives. As the wilt was an issue I flushed and cleaned the entire system and reduced the nute regiment back to a more root productive effort.

Am prepping to change them into flower (pray they are all/most/some/one? females) and would like advise on how I can get them into a better state (more growth) for flowering and potential production. I am now starting to go back, since the plants look very healthy, to using Liquid Karma and foliar with Liquid Light & Pentrator twice a week @ half strength). I am still using Sensizyme and Green Fuse root stimulator.

Thanks to everyone in advance. I have been on another board for a while and it is good to be back here.

**Pharm Girl** · 01-12-2009, 06:38 AM

I bet you've got a few tricks up your sleeve........someon e who's been smoking for 40+, knows things!!

Looking forward to more.....~

Welcome to YaHooka.

seaflo · 01-12-2009, 08:24 AM

Thanks for the wonderful welcome. But I feel so old when that many years comes back into view by others. But seen things, ya.

I am holding out 1 more week in veg and then 12/12. Having no experience with this strain my personal data bank is zip. I have only read about grows of shorter plants.

I believe the girls are back on their running feet; their daily liquid intake is up, approximately 1.05 liters per day. So I have restarted the Liquid Light and the Penetrator regime. I have also started to use Hygrozyme. Too many peeps have urged its use.

I thought stretching the plants but at this stage in their development that might be more harmful than productive.

I hope there are some of you that have had experience with this strain and would lend some advise my way.
Thanks again and I appreciate your assistance.

Unitus77 · 01-12-2009, 09:11 AM

beautiful healthy green plants.

**farmergiles** · 01-12-2009, 09:27 AM

Yeah they look like they`ve been looked after. Sounds like you know what you`re doing so I hesitate to offer advice except-

I`ve grown Jack Herer before, it was a bit stretchy, not insanely so. Chitral is an indica from Pakistan often used to make hash. So it`s gonna be bushy, maybe the Chitral is the dominant parent. I wouldn`t worry about them being too bushy, my problem is usually keeping them short enough! They may show some Jack tendencies once they go under 12/12.

seaflo · 01-12-2009, 10:19 AM

Thanks Farmer. I will dose them later this week with LL and put them into 12/12. The beans were given to me by a friend who knows and I would like to do well by her and for the plants. I believe that the Chitral is dominant in this strain as I have seen that most Jack's are mainly Sativa and therefor taller.

Peace seeker · 01-12-2009, 11:20 AM

Plants look nice man

You re doing a few things right to keep em this way.

I also think that the Citral is dominant, but like FG said, Jack can show later on in flowering.

Are you gonna put em under an HPS for flowering?

seaflo · 01-12-2009, 11:57 AM

Thanks Peace for the response. I was just debating leaving them under the CFLs or bringing the HPS out. The HPS might give them the burst of difference they need;? Thanks again.

Peace seeker · 01-12-2009, 11:47 PM

imho bring the hps out.

You mentioned that the beans came from a good source (good genes).

Might as well give em full potential to grow thick buds

**farmergiles** · 01-13-2009, 03:41 PM

Yeah as long as you`re set up to handle the temps HPS will get the the most and best bud for your buck IMO. You`ve got the headroom so should be fine.

Peace seeker · 01-14-2009, 12:04 AM

i must admit that they look lovely for being grown (just) under CFLs

bushy, tight internoding, healthy lookin

seaflo · 01-14-2009, 05:50 AM

Thanks Farmer & Peace. I have been using CFLs for both phases for the last 2 grows and have been very happy. The heat issue is a big one for me and that is why the switch from HIDs to CFLs. But seeing that they are not up to my height hopes right now I am contemplating bringing out the old reliable HPS for the flowering. I am very impressed with 2 new products I am using; Liquid Light and Hygrozyme. I also have a 90% success rate with the clones from the one I lost to wilt. Thanks again folks, I really appreciate the input.

seaflo · 01-14-2009, 05:57 AM

http://www.yahooka.com/forum/attachm...1&d=1231937724
Prepping for the flowering; these are the girls 3 days later from the last pic I posted.

**farmergiles** · 01-14-2009, 06:07 AM

They be looking good, cheers for sharing, keep us posted.

Be interesting to see how they turn out. I`ve always been a sucker for heavy indicas, Jack has always been a favourite too.

**Pharm Girl** · 01-14-2009, 06:12 AM

Is it my monitor.........but is there dis-coloration going on?

seaflo · 01-14-2009, 06:35 AM

Thanks Farmers & Pharmgirl. The discoloration is the varying greens from new growth, a lighter green, to mature fan leaves at a darker green. There are a few fan leaves with striations of lighter green; is there something I should be doing to avoid/encourage this? THANKS

seaflo · 01-14-2009, 07:18 AM

Due to the shortness of the plant and the "bushiness"; should I be trimming the fan leaves to allow for more light to the developing branches in the flower phase? Thanks again to ALL.

Dandaweedman · 01-14-2009, 08:34 AM

Were it me, I would prune the lowers so there was a few inches tween the baby's lowest leaves and the soil, they make goot clones as well.
But that is more for air movement. Other than that I wouldn't trim a thing.

Nice looking babies, but just a tad of magnesium (a weak mix)is needed by the looks of the leaf tips.

seaflo · 01-14-2009, 08:52 AM

Thanks Danda. I am using PPG as the main nute and Karma, Hygrozyme and Sensizyme as additives. What would give the additional mag that is needed? Thanks again.

**farmergiles** · 01-14-2009, 09:49 AM

Epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) maybe 1 teaspoon dissolved per gallon of water.

01-09-2009, 10:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	Jack X Chitral, 1st grow, need help http://www.yahooka.com/forum/attachm...1&d=1231522347 This is the first time growing this strain and am hopeful that the experts here can help. Started some beans that a friend gave. Jack X Chitral. They were given a year ago and only 4 out of the 10 sprouted. Early in their development, 2nd week in veg, one developed "wilt" and it passed. I cloned the plant and they are responding well. The photo attached is the remaining 3's 4th week. I have never had plants in my E&F system be so short, although they are very bushy, in their 4th week. Normally they are over 2' where these are only 14" to 18" tall. I have rigorously maintained a good environment, 4'x4'x7' grow cab well vented and clean, am using a large bank (3.5' x 3.5') of large CFLs (I can vary the location and amount of light and this has been very successful before); the girls are on a 20/4 schedule now. The E&F rez is changed every week with daily monitoring on the PH & PPMs. I use organic nutes and some additives. As the wilt was an issue I flushed and cleaned the entire system and reduced the nute regiment back to a more root productive effort. Am prepping to change them into flower (pray they are all/most/some/one? females) and would like advise on how I can get them into a better state (more growth) for flowering and potential production. I am now starting to go back, since the plants look very healthy, to using Liquid Karma and foliar with Liquid Light & Pentrator twice a week @ half strength). I am still using Sensizyme and Green Fuse root stimulator. Thanks to everyone in advance. I have been on another board for a while and it is good to be back here. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE. Last edited by seaflo; 03-09-2009 at 07:56 AM.

01-12-2009, 06:38 AM	#2 (permalink)
Pharm Girl Looking for a Bone! Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,203 Blog Entries: 13 Thanks: 2,553 Thanked 1,009 Times in 783 Posts	I bet you've got a few tricks up your sleeve........someon e who's been smoking for 40+, knows things!! Looking forward to more.....~ Welcome to YaHooka. __________________ .....The Time has Come to 'Walk the Talk'.....~ ......A message for ALL from the Deer Tribe...~ It is a great journey — but you must do the walking and have the willingness to change and make the leap into the next level of human evolution. Become an inquisitive free thinking individual that takes responsibility for your life and the spiritual accountability to live life to the fullest. *Fuck the Monkeys*

01-12-2009, 08:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	Thanks for the wonderful welcome. But I feel so old when that many years comes back into view by others. But seen things, ya. I am holding out 1 more week in veg and then 12/12. Having no experience with this strain my personal data bank is zip. I have only read about grows of shorter plants. I believe the girls are back on their running feet; their daily liquid intake is up, approximately 1.05 liters per day. So I have restarted the Liquid Light and the Penetrator regime. I have also started to use Hygrozyme. Too many peeps have urged its use. I thought stretching the plants but at this stage in their development that might be more harmful than productive. I hope there are some of you that have had experience with this strain and would lend some advise my way. Thanks again and I appreciate your assistance. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.

01-12-2009, 09:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
Unitus77 high on life/drugs Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: God only knows Posts: 98 Thanks: 21 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts	beautiful healthy green plants. __________________ I Dont Abuse, I over use.

01-12-2009, 09:27 AM	#5 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In My Fire Engine Posts: 7,134 Thanks: 2,040 Thanked 3,167 Times in 2,191 Posts	Yeah they look like they`ve been looked after. Sounds like you know what you`re doing so I hesitate to offer advice except- I`ve grown Jack Herer before, it was a bit stretchy, not insanely so. Chitral is an indica from Pakistan often used to make hash. So it`s gonna be bushy, maybe the Chitral is the dominant parent. I wouldn`t worry about them being too bushy, my problem is usually keeping them short enough! They may show some Jack tendencies once they go under 12/12. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys*

01-12-2009, 10:19 AM	#6 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	Thanks Farmer. I will dose them later this week with LL and put them into 12/12. The beans were given to me by a friend who knows and I would like to do well by her and for the plants. I believe that the Chitral is dominant in this strain as I have seen that most Jack's are mainly Sativa and therefor taller. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.

01-12-2009, 11:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
Peace seeker free the herb Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,830 Thanks: 749 Thanked 530 Times in 376 Posts	Plants look nice man You re doing a few things right to keep em this way. I also think that the Citral is dominant, but like FG said, Jack can show later on in flowering. Are you gonna put em under an HPS for flowering?

01-12-2009, 11:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	Thanks Peace for the response. I was just debating leaving them under the CFLs or bringing the HPS out. The HPS might give them the burst of difference they need;? Thanks again. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.

01-12-2009, 11:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
Peace seeker free the herb Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,830 Thanks: 749 Thanked 530 Times in 376 Posts	imho bring the hps out. You mentioned that the beans came from a good source (good genes). Might as well give em full potential to grow thick buds

01-13-2009, 03:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In My Fire Engine Posts: 7,134 Thanks: 2,040 Thanked 3,167 Times in 2,191 Posts	Yeah as long as you`re set up to handle the temps HPS will get the the most and best bud for your buck IMO. You`ve got the headroom so should be fine. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys*

01-14-2009, 12:04 AM	#11 (permalink)
Peace seeker free the herb Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,830 Thanks: 749 Thanked 530 Times in 376 Posts	i must admit that they look lovely for being grown (just) under CFLs bushy, tight internoding, healthy lookin

01-14-2009, 05:50 AM	#12 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	Thanks Farmer & Peace. I have been using CFLs for both phases for the last 2 grows and have been very happy. The heat issue is a big one for me and that is why the switch from HIDs to CFLs. But seeing that they are not up to my height hopes right now I am contemplating bringing out the old reliable HPS for the flowering. I am very impressed with 2 new products I am using; Liquid Light and Hygrozyme. I also have a 90% success rate with the clones from the one I lost to wilt. Thanks again folks, I really appreciate the input. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.

01-14-2009, 05:57 AM	#13 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	http://www.yahooka.com/forum/attachm...1&d=1231937724 Prepping for the flowering; these are the girls 3 days later from the last pic I posted. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE. Last edited by seaflo; 03-09-2009 at 07:56 AM.

01-14-2009, 06:07 AM	#14 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In My Fire Engine Posts: 7,134 Thanks: 2,040 Thanked 3,167 Times in 2,191 Posts	They be looking good, cheers for sharing, keep us posted. Be interesting to see how they turn out. I`ve always been a sucker for heavy indicas, Jack has always been a favourite too. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys*

01-14-2009, 06:12 AM	#15 (permalink)
Pharm Girl Looking for a Bone! Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,203 Blog Entries: 13 Thanks: 2,553 Thanked 1,009 Times in 783 Posts	Is it my monitor.........but is there dis-coloration going on? __________________ .....The Time has Come to 'Walk the Talk'.....~ ......A message for ALL from the Deer Tribe...~ It is a great journey — but you must do the walking and have the willingness to change and make the leap into the next level of human evolution. Become an inquisitive free thinking individual that takes responsibility for your life and the spiritual accountability to live life to the fullest. *Fuck the Monkeys*

01-14-2009, 06:35 AM	#16 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	Thanks Farmers & Pharmgirl. The discoloration is the varying greens from new growth, a lighter green, to mature fan leaves at a darker green. There are a few fan leaves with striations of lighter green; is there something I should be doing to avoid/encourage this? THANKS __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.

01-14-2009, 07:18 AM	#17 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	Due to the shortness of the plant and the "bushiness"; should I be trimming the fan leaves to allow for more light to the developing branches in the flower phase? Thanks again to ALL. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.

01-14-2009, 08:34 AM	#18 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,414 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	Were it me, I would prune the lowers so there was a few inches tween the baby's lowest leaves and the soil, they make goot clones as well. But that is more for air movement. Other than that I wouldn't trim a thing. Nice looking babies, but just a tad of magnesium (a weak mix)is needed by the looks of the leaf tips. __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

01-14-2009, 08:52 AM	#19 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	Thanks Danda. I am using PPG as the main nute and Karma, Hygrozyme and Sensizyme as additives. What would give the additional mag that is needed? Thanks again. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.

01-14-2009, 09:49 AM	#20 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In My Fire Engine Posts: 7,134 Thanks: 2,040 Thanked 3,167 Times in 2,191 Posts	Epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) maybe 1 teaspoon dissolved per gallon of water. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys*

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