Dandaweedman

Advanced nutrients actually has scientists on payroll. Now I am not saying I agree with anything I have posted in this thread.

I don't use mediums that I can't get easily

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seaflo

Old man, Danda & all THANKS; this is great stuff but it further reinforces my frustration of weighing the prospects of using coco. If have read as many posts and supposed ed first hand accounts on the fact that you have to use specif nutes and there will be dire consequences if you don't. Danda it sounds as if the post you quote is a rep for a nute company.
I am leaning now to what Old Man is saying because of the "home" research I have been doing on coco; it seems that the material does not break down, at least in short term experiments, and thus does not leave any residue in various flushing s. I have even used Clearex and let it sit for 12 hours and the ECM did not change. My first attempts happen today.

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OldMan&TheWeed

I'm sorry if you thought I was attacking you Dandaweedman.

By the way, I have nothing against AN, most of their products are great, as are most of Canna's, Botanicare, and most others. They wouldn't stay in business for very long if their products didn't work! And yes almost all of them pay a PhD, either as a consultant or as an employee. But my point is chemically speaking these products do not differ much from company to company. Whether it be the nutes or additives, each company has an overpriced equilivant of the other.

The science behind these products is real, but the companies themselves -beyond formulating a particular product - did none of this research. It is based on work in universities around the world and usually available to the curious on-line for free.

That's my rant. Gotta go!

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stoneric

I'm going to try coco when I do my final pot-up in a week or 2. I'm going to use the canna a+b nutes, I see they have them for veg and flower. I visited my local nursery and they didn't have the medium or the nutes. I found the medium for $22 for a 50 litre bag and the nutes were $22 per litre online. It seems like you'd need a lot less shit around if all you needed was canna coco, perlite and 2 bottles of nutes.

Dandaweedman

never took anything that way, but thanks for the sensitivity

I was just reading some of the crap on AN a few days ago. Quite illuminating.

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seaflo

4th day of clones in Coco; FABULOUS! I have a side by side comparison with a Waterfarm hydro set up, and even though it is a hassle hand watering, the Coco ones are 20% larger. Gotta find a drip system that will work so I don't have to so much.

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seaflo

FYI; I have been feeding the girls in the coco the same formula as I have been using in the DWC and there seems to be no ill effects. In fact they are thriving.

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stoneric

Does 10% run off mean 10% of my solution should end up in my drip dish? And should I let it sit in the solutuion or should I drain?

seaflo

I am hand-watering and not really worrying about the run off ratios. This is my first time doing coco so I am on the large learning curve. So far just feeding them when the medium feels like it needs it (checking half way down the container for moisture with my finger; real scientific huh?). I am using 10" deep pots and have hydroton at the bottom (approx. 1" layer) and a saucer under the pots. At first i9t takes a daily watering to make sure they are fed. I am going to flush with clean PHed RO every 2 weeks. I feel that using organics, as they usually are more forgiving is better for me right now than using the expensive Canna products. My 2p.

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seaflo

I let them sit in the run-off. I have checked the run off and it is the same PH as the mixture I poured in. The run off is usually gone in one day (either evaporated/ consumed/both).

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stoneric

When I grow in soil with my plant at 5 weeks I water the top of the medium just to keep it from drying out. I then water from the bottom until my plant doesn't want anymore and I drain the excess. I've read where one should only water the top of the coco medium.

stoneric

Did my final pot-up to coco last nite. When you water, you can't make a puddle! It drains so god damn fast.

Thank you to the people (Peace seeker, farmergiles, Dan ect.) who gave me advice on potting up. The root growth was unbelievable. Made it easy to transplant.

seaflo: Did you notice the contrast in color compared to soil? My plant's greeness really shows up on the coco medium background.

seaflo

http://www.yahooka.com/forum/attachm...1&d=1233930288
Clones in coco 19 days since taking root.

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seaflo

I believe they would have been larger by now if I would have placed the clones in coco instead of soil for their first 6 days after roots appeared. Once they hit the coco they took off. I used RRs for cloning on these instead of placing the cuttings in coco; I am having less success, for clones and seeds, in RRs than in coco now.

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stoneric

My plant could die tommorow but 5 days after potting up to a coco medium, she(can I call her she, it's a feminized seed)looks fucking great. I'm computer illiterate and can't do pictures but in my limited experience I have yet to see a spurt like this. And there's no guesswork as far as how often to water/feed. So far so good.

seaflo

Stoner, how are the plants doing? The clones I have in Coco are exceptional. I am going to get rid of all my hydro stuff. The side by side comparison with the same clones in dwc and coco; coco is the clear winner.

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http://www.yahooka.com/forum/attachm...1&d=1234800311
Clones in Coco @ 16 days; too bad they were MFing males and had to be committed to the compost heap.
The coco is da bomb though.

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stoneric

Just one and she is looking great. I can't believe this stuff so far. Just went 12/12 on the 11th and switched over to the canna flora nutes. Had her in veg for a week after potting up to the coco and was using the canna vega nutes. I'm watering everyday using a nute solution each time. I've been checking the PH balance daily and it's holding steady between 6.5 and 7. Hopefully it will be a smooth ride all the way thru.

seaflo

I have not used any Canna yet except for Rhizotonic (their shit is extremely expensive, I am going to start making teas, just a poor medical user here). Have been using PBP and other left-overs from hydro. My PH of nutes going in is the same as my hydro, 5.8 - 6.0. I only water when the soil feels semi-dry and then I water to 40% run-off and that is held in a tray to be absorbed into the hydroton at the bottom of the pots.
Seedlings started in this are also outstanding. 10 days since sprout and 4th set of leaving going and have to be taken out of starter cups and into large containers because they were getting root bound. I have not seen anything like it. Good luck with yours; where's the pics?

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stoneric

No pics man. I'm computer illiterate. I can send e-mail and order shit. Plus I don't own a camera, not even a cell phone with a camera, not even a cell phone. I'm stuck in the 20th century with no real ambition to leave it.