Coco HOW TO? - Page 3

Dandaweedman · 02-16-2009, 02:15 PM

Sometimes thats the best way stoeric.

Looking good seaflo, 16 days is nice n fast.

seaflo · 02-17-2009, 05:20 AM

Stoner, I believe that you need to get your PH down. 7 is way too high. I have found that even 6.2 & up does not encourage as rapid a growth effort as 5.8 (my optimum). Just my 2P.

stoneric · 02-17-2009, 07:03 AM

If I get anymore optimum growth, I'm going to need a bigger room. I only know what I've learned here and I always thought a ph balance of 6.5 to 7 was good for soil or soiless but as I go back to the FAQ's, I see 6 to 6.5 is recommended. How does one lower the ph? I've heard that adding vinegar will do the trick.

seaflo · 02-17-2009, 09:21 AM

My research on other forums, where there seem to be more folks that have a lot of coco grows experience, tell me that 5.8 to 6 is the best. For me this has always been the optimum for hydro as well; whatever works I say. I just use the regular potash mixture (PH down); I have found that using nutrients to adjust PH makes my PPMs out of whack. Are you using RO water? I have found that if you are, using Cal Mag or equivalent is needed. Watch out for over-watering on coco as well. This can depend greatly on what additional materials (perlite/hydroton/etc..) you mix with the coco. Coco, I have found holds moisture extremely well. my 2p Good luck.

Dandaweedman · 02-17-2009, 12:59 PM

YaHooka Forums - FAQ: Part 3 - General Plant Care

May as well include what the plant itself wants right?

I have been using floronova PH down stoneric, but that shite burns me every time it touchs me. I am reduced to welding gloves to handle it.
Vinegar should work, I posted about that somewheres before... just gotaa figure where...

stoneric · 02-17-2009, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaflo

My research on other forums, where there seem to be more folks that have a lot of coco grows experience, tell me that 5.8 to 6 is the best. For me this has always been the optimum for hydro as well; whatever works I say. I just use the regular potash mixture (PH down); I have found that using nutrients to adjust PH makes my PPMs out of whack. Are you using RO water? I have found that if you are, using Cal Mag or equivalent is needed. Watch out for over-watering on coco as well. This can depend greatly on what additional materials (perlite/hydroton/etc..) you mix with the coco. Coco, I have found holds moisture extremely well. my 2p Good luck.

I didn't add anything to the coco, just some perlite at the bottom of the pot. I'm following a grower from another forum's water/nute regime. He swears you can't over water coco.

stoneric · 02-17-2009, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dandaweedman

YaHooka Forums - FAQ: Part 3 - General Plant Care

May as well include what the plant itself wants right?

I have been using floronova PH down stoneric, but that shite burns me every time it touchs me. I am reduced to welding gloves to handle it.
Vinegar should work, I posted about that somewheres before... just gotaa figure where...

Yeah, I read it someplace here. Vinegar to lower ph, baking soda to raise.

seaflo · 02-18-2009, 09:17 AM

I hope your guy is right about the not being able to over water coco (I don't believe it but I hope he is right). I will stick with what is working for me. I would urge you to mix perlite into your coco and not just in the bottom. The Botanicare Aeration Mix is what most are telling me to mix my coco to match. I use hydroton at the bottom of the containers for drainage. Whatever works. Good luck.

stoneric · 02-18-2009, 03:21 PM

I'm 2 weeks in and I see no problems as of yet. My god, if I was using my regular soil mix I'd have one waterlogged pot with a flooded grow room. I have to water a ton just to get any kind of runoff and the next day it's the same. I've had to continuously increase my daily waterings to maintain the same runnoff. Maybe it will all come crashing down but I have yet to grow a plant that looks like this. It dwarfs anything I've grown.

seaflo · 02-19-2009, 08:06 AM

Let's see it.

stoneric · 02-19-2009, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaflo

Let's see it.

See post #40.

seaflo · 02-19-2009, 02:12 PM

Dude the phone is ringing; its the 21st century calling. The thing is just gonna keep ringing. $10 Ebay digital camera. I grew up on a ranch and could ride horses before I could run but I still drive a car.
Understood; just busting on you.

stoneric · 02-19-2009, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaflo

Dude the phone is ringing; its the 21st century calling. The thing is just gonna keep ringing. $10 Ebay digital camera. I grew up on a ranch and could ride horses before I could run but I still drive a car.
Understood; just busting on you.

I don't own a phone. Fucker kept ringing. I bought a computer in '04 exclusively to learn how to grow pot. I haven't bought commercial shit since Oct. of '05. Mission accomplished and I'm still a hermit. And I do understand you're busting my balls with no malice intended.

seaflo · 02-21-2009, 07:02 AM

I have a remarkable group of clones; cuttings from a mom in flower, 2 days in cloner and I have vertical growth and new leaves growing. I place my cuttings in coco & perlite mix (the same as my regular medium, place them in my humidity box, pre-watered all the cups with my solution and mist every 4 hours (when I can really, the 4 hours is just my goal) and voila, they are growing before taking root. I am so amazed at this that I uncovered one of the clones and to my surprise there are roots starting to sprout. The solution I use is Rhizotonic, Cal-Mag and PPB is the Fing bomb. Hydro equipment for sale.

OldMan&TheWeed · 02-21-2009, 10:16 AM

Frankly I don't understand why anyone would use anything BUT coco. It combines the ease of soil with the returns of hydro.

As you progress from grow to grow you will find out that you do not need coco specific nutes. You're just throwing your money away. Even the enzymes (essential in coco) can be had MUCH cheaper by substituting pond enzymes. Pond enzymes contain the very same hydrolyzing enzymes (amylases, proteases, lipase, cellulase, beta-glucanase, and pectinase) that are contained in the products sold in the hydroponic stores. The only difference is the concentrations.

The one thing you're better off not skimping on is the coco itself. Buy Canna and none other.

Also, remember that coco is very retentive. If you plan on using any PGRs such as Bushmaster or Dr. Nodes (mepiquat) or Gravity (Paclobutrazol) you must change the coco between grows. If you intend to reuse your coco apply any PGRs as a foliar spray to avoid contaminating the coco.

stoneric · 02-22-2009, 04:12 PM

Sometimes the extra money spent is worth it to those of us that need lots of direction.

seaflo · 02-23-2009, 05:37 AM

Someone has told me that they are experimenting with Coco in an aerated planter. They are placing air stones at the bottom and small air nodes in the middle of the pots. They tell me that if it works they will dry to develop a new container that integrates air connections into the pot. It sounds very plausible.

stoneric · 03-18-2009, 05:28 PM

Five weeks into flowering. I have a 28 inch bush that stinks like hell.

Buds are much more advanced than any of my previous grows at this stage. I have roots coming out of the bottom of my 7 gallon pot which I've NEVER had in any previous grow, let alone with 3 weeks to go. I've been using the canna nutes along with Blackstrap Molases. I cut back watering to every other day and I feed 2 out of every 3 waterings. I love this shit and I can't wait to do a grow from start to finish.

How about you, Seaflo?

Cerebro · 03-18-2009, 08:23 PM

great news stoneric, it's a fun hobby when it's going well isnt it.

Dandaweedman · 03-18-2009, 09:38 PM

That is great news.

02-16-2009, 02:15 PM	#41 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,414 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	Sometimes thats the best way stoeric. Looking good seaflo, 16 days is nice n fast. __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

02-17-2009, 05:20 AM	#42 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	Stoner, I believe that you need to get your PH down. 7 is way too high. I have found that even 6.2 & up does not encourage as rapid a growth effort as 5.8 (my optimum). Just my 2P. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.

02-17-2009, 09:21 AM	#44 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	My research on other forums, where there seem to be more folks that have a lot of coco grows experience, tell me that 5.8 to 6 is the best. For me this has always been the optimum for hydro as well; whatever works I say. I just use the regular potash mixture (PH down); I have found that using nutrients to adjust PH makes my PPMs out of whack. Are you using RO water? I have found that if you are, using Cal Mag or equivalent is needed. Watch out for over-watering on coco as well. This can depend greatly on what additional materials (perlite/hydroton/etc..) you mix with the coco. Coco, I have found holds moisture extremely well. my 2p Good luck. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.

02-17-2009, 12:59 PM	#45 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,414 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	YaHooka Forums - FAQ: Part 3 - General Plant Care May as well include what the plant itself wants right? I have been using floronova PH down stoneric, but that shite burns me every time it touchs me. I am reduced to welding gloves to handle it. Vinegar should work, I posted about that somewheres before... just gotaa figure where... __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

02-18-2009, 09:17 AM	#48 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	I hope your guy is right about the not being able to over water coco (I don't believe it but I hope he is right). I will stick with what is working for me. I would urge you to mix perlite into your coco and not just in the bottom. The Botanicare Aeration Mix is what most are telling me to mix my coco to match. I use hydroton at the bottom of the containers for drainage. Whatever works. Good luck. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.

02-17-2009, 07:03 AM	#43 (permalink)
stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,223 Thanks: 431 Thanked 1,246 Times in 892 Posts	If I get anymore optimum growth, I'm going to need a bigger room. I only know what I've learned here and I always thought a ph balance of 6.5 to 7 was good for soil or soiless but as I go back to the FAQ's, I see 6 to 6.5 is recommended. How does one lower the ph? I've heard that adding vinegar will do the trick.

02-18-2009, 03:21 PM	#49 (permalink)
stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,223 Thanks: 431 Thanked 1,246 Times in 892 Posts	I'm 2 weeks in and I see no problems as of yet. My god, if I was using my regular soil mix I'd have one waterlogged pot with a flooded grow room. I have to water a ton just to get any kind of runoff and the next day it's the same. I've had to continuously increase my daily waterings to maintain the same runnoff. Maybe it will all come crashing down but I have yet to grow a plant that looks like this. It dwarfs anything I've grown.

02-19-2009, 08:06 AM	#50 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	Let's see it. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.

02-19-2009, 02:12 PM	#52 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	Dude the phone is ringing; its the 21st century calling. The thing is just gonna keep ringing. $10 Ebay digital camera. I grew up on a ranch and could ride horses before I could run but I still drive a car. Understood; just busting on you. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.

02-21-2009, 07:02 AM	#54 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	I have a remarkable group of clones; cuttings from a mom in flower, 2 days in cloner and I have vertical growth and new leaves growing. I place my cuttings in coco & perlite mix (the same as my regular medium, place them in my humidity box, pre-watered all the cups with my solution and mist every 4 hours (when I can really, the 4 hours is just my goal) and voila, they are growing before taking root. I am so amazed at this that I uncovered one of the clones and to my surprise there are roots starting to sprout. The solution I use is Rhizotonic, Cal-Mag and PPB is the Fing bomb. Hydro equipment for sale. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.

02-21-2009, 10:16 AM	#55 (permalink)
OldMan&TheWeed been there done that Join Date: May 2006 Location: The West Posts: 2,287 Thanks: 293 Thanked 798 Times in 405 Posts	Frankly I don't understand why anyone would use anything BUT coco. It combines the ease of soil with the returns of hydro. As you progress from grow to grow you will find out that you do not need coco specific nutes. You're just throwing your money away. Even the enzymes (essential in coco) can be had MUCH cheaper by substituting pond enzymes. Pond enzymes contain the very same hydrolyzing enzymes (amylases, proteases, lipase, cellulase, beta-glucanase, and pectinase) that are contained in the products sold in the hydroponic stores. The only difference is the concentrations. The one thing you're better off not skimping on is the coco itself. Buy Canna and none other. Also, remember that coco is very retentive. If you plan on using any PGRs such as Bushmaster or Dr. Nodes (mepiquat) or Gravity (Paclobutrazol) you must change the coco between grows. If you intend to reuse your coco apply any PGRs as a foliar spray to avoid contaminating the coco. __________________ Nintey-three percent of what I say is brilliant, factual information and seven percent is complete bullshit. Have fun deciding which is which.

02-22-2009, 04:12 PM	#56 (permalink)
stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,223 Thanks: 431 Thanked 1,246 Times in 892 Posts	Sometimes the extra money spent is worth it to those of us that need lots of direction.

02-23-2009, 05:37 AM	#57 (permalink)
seaflo Old School Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 191 Thanks: 100 Thanked 60 Times in 40 Posts	Someone has told me that they are experimenting with Coco in an aerated planter. They are placing air stones at the bottom and small air nodes in the middle of the pots. They tell me that if it works they will dry to develop a new container that integrates air connections into the pot. It sounds very plausible. __________________ FREE AMERICA FROM INTOLERANCE.

03-18-2009, 05:28 PM	#58 (permalink)
stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,223 Thanks: 431 Thanked 1,246 Times in 892 Posts	Five weeks into flowering. I have a 28 inch bush that stinks like hell. Buds are much more advanced than any of my previous grows at this stage. I have roots coming out of the bottom of my 7 gallon pot which I've NEVER had in any previous grow, let alone with 3 weeks to go. I've been using the canna nutes along with Blackstrap Molases. I cut back watering to every other day and I feed 2 out of every 3 waterings. I love this shit and I can't wait to do a grow from start to finish. How about you, Seaflo?

03-18-2009, 09:38 PM	#60 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,414 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	That is great news. __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

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