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Old 03-25-2010, 06:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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strange looking buds

hi everyone can anyone tell me if this is normal behavier for himalayian gold.
i bought some cheap seeds off the internet advert said himalayan gold , white widow and super silver haze. they are three weeks into flower i planted 3 himalayan gold and the rest are my trusty jack but the gold are producing strange looking buds that look like nothing i've seen before,can someone tell me if this is normal.

i've posted some pics best i can do with the camera,the first lot are the strange flower like buds the last is my jack to compare if you see the odd jack bud in the other picks its cause the plants are close together.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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OH NO!!! THEY'RE MALES!!! Seriously dude, you need to get that shit out quick, and carefully so you don't pop any pollen sacks. That shit spreads like the plague. I would check to see if you can find any open sacks, and if you do, then expect to have quite a few seeds.
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lol!

yeah dude, those are some big 'ol males. imo, with the size and age of those males, i would just let your female remain, and then just harvest the seeds. you'll be set for beans for awhile, that's for sure.

after thats done, just clean out your growroom with a little soapy water (pollen becomes inviable with just plain water) and then wait a few weeks for the rest of the pollen to become inviable (outside the fridge, pollen stays good for a few weeks).

or of course you can try to salvage your female, but i think it might be too late for this judging by your males.


edit: oh shi~! i just saw you have more than one female in there. man, get those seperated, quick!
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damn those are going to be some dank dude! keep up the good work!
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You are going to have seeds, I think it looks like some pollen will already have been scattered.
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Old 03-26-2010, 04:56 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 03-26-2010, 08:57 AM   #8 (permalink)
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thanx everyone i've took the males out,had no idea they were males thy were suposed to be feminised seeds, thought it was to good to be true being so cheap i'll have to keep a careful eye on the next seeds i plant white widow feminised suposedly lol
so i'm left with my trusty jack just wondering if the girls do go to seed will they take on any of the charecteristics of the himalayan gold or does'nt it work like that.
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Old 03-26-2010, 09:58 AM   #9 (permalink)
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If you grow the seed it will, the actual plants your growing right now won't; that would be like your mom taking on characteristics of your dad
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Old 03-26-2010, 10:24 AM   #10 (permalink)
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You are going to have seeds, I think it looks like some pollen will already have been scattered.
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Old 03-27-2010, 06:50 AM   #11 (permalink)
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so just to be clear if the jack goes to seed and i grow the seeds on they will be half jack and half gold is that what your saying
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Old 03-27-2010, 10:54 AM   #12 (permalink)
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yup da bitches done been dusted.

nice grow just the same

remember too, many many members @ YaHookans, never touched a seed and got the results you did get so far.

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Old 03-27-2010, 12:11 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Some of them will and others may show more characteristics of one or the other.
Feminized seeds really only means that you have a higher chance of getting females than males or hermaphrodites. In nature it is 50/50 but in feminised it is around 70/30 females to males. Always watch for the early signs of males after bout 2 weeks into flower cycle.
how are feminised seeds produced?
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i am pretty sure they use herms to make feminized seeds. i was talking to my friend who studies genetics about it. i definitely don't claim to be an expert in such fields.
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if i understand it correctly, they take an XX female and stress it into herm, either with light cycle or spraying it with colloidal silver or something, and the resulting self produced seeds should be feminized.
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During the 1960's and 1970's some cannabis breeders took to experimenting with Colchicine. Colchicine, a powerful mutagen for both man and beast, stops cell duplication, while the cellcore duplication continues the same. The end result is a doubling or more of the chromosome set. This treatment can be beneficial to cannabis because it enforces many properties such as higher production of thc and resistance to disease. What also resulted, when gender chromosomes doubled, is that male or female chromosomes appear manifold, called Hermaphrodites. What's the plant to become? It becomes all at once. The result is called feminized or effeminate seed.
Genetically, a cannabis plant is more or less predisposed to become male or female. This is regulated by 2 chromosomes everyone knows as the X and Y chromosomes. A plant with 2 XX chromosomes becomes female. A plant with an X and Y turns into a male. Plants have hormones that regulate it's functioning, of which gender is one of those functions. The hormone balance is genetically determined, and partly influenced by environmental factors. An example is when plant roots get damaged. The roots will produce a substance that in turn slows down leaf growth. The result is male flowers. When discussing hormone balance you get FEMALE SEED: a female is a plant with XX or only female chromosomes.
When you have a seed with just X chromosomes, you are certain this seed will grow into a plant that is genetically female. To achieve the XX only plant: a female plant is forced by a hormone called Gibberellic Acid to produce male flowers, the pollen created contains only X chromosomes, when you offer this pollen to another female plant you can be absolutely certain to get seeds which are 100% XX. Once again this seed is called FEMALE SEED. Gibberellic Acid can be found in online. It takes years for an individual to achieve the proper plant hormone manipulation to get 100% female XX seed.
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned this but I may be mistaken

"himalayan gold , white widow and super silver haze."

aren't all of those indicas? and aren't those plants sativas?
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WW and SSH are hybrids, SSH leans towards sativa.
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so would that mean that you end up with sativa dominance in the plants? seems like if that was a hybrid the leaves would be a LITTLE broader. Again I may be wrong I have very minimal cultivation experience.
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Sat/Ind hybrids (like SSH for instance) often show a fair degree of variance, a hybrid that has been extensively stabilised like WW will be more consistent.

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Location: indoor, outdoor; Type: indica/sativa; Flowering: ~60 days
Genetics: Nepal and North Indian.
Don't know this strain.
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