The Golden Rule of Growing - Page 2

Galt · 11-11-2010, 02:56 PM

There have been three big grow ops busted 'round here. They were all significant as in hundreds of pounds and hundreds of plants. One I haven't heard the particulars on as yet, one was somebody gettin' snatched and throwin' the grower under the bus, and the last was because the neighbors complained to the LEO's about the stink. Whatever the case, there's something to be learned from each of their failures.

My significant other, I am confident in saying, would never throw me over, but she knows nothing. This is as much for her benefit as my own. I figure that if she doesn't notice it and she lives with me than the chances of somebody who doesn't know me that well figuring it out are pretty slim. Also, if she does begin to suspect or wonder than she is helping me by providing an unknowing warning to me before I do something really stupid or obvious that will make others curious. She's like my own private early warning system.

I realize that this seems like a crappy thing to do as far as relationships and trust go, but she is totally against weed and everything having to do with it, so it's not like I'm ever going to get her cooperation or willing assistance. She knows that I'm a medical user but that's as far as it goes, and even then I pretty much don't use it around her out of deference. As for the grow, let's just call it providing her with plausible deniability. (WTF, it works for the government)

Recently I looked up an old friend after 25 years. Within the first 1/2 hour of catchin' up I knew that he was still gettin' high (no big deal since we all used to back in the day), but I also knew what he smoked, where he got it and could guess within a few blocks where it was being grown. For all he knew I was under indictment for some heinous crime and lookin' for some leverage to cut a deal with. After all, if we were such good buds why hadn't I seen him in 25 years.

Now that's not the case, and I gave him shit for being such a loose lipped slut, but it could of been as bad or worse than my hypothetical. Why his supplier would share all that he did with this knucklehead is beyond me, but I sure as hell didn't repeat the mistake.

You never have to worry about a rat or goof who's happy to brag about "knowin' a guy" if ya just keep it all to yourself. Look at it this way. Every person that knows increases the chances of you getting caught exponentially, and the first person you tell increases that likelihood by 100%. Those odds suck.

Jenna_Grows · 11-12-2010, 05:04 AM

Different strokes for different folks.. but...Can't very well damn a person for not keeping your secret when you couldn't keep it in the first place.

I wouldn't grow without my partners nod...he's my partner in life..that supercedes growing for me. I sure wouldn't do something that has the potential to bring a whole shwack of shit into his life without his knowledge.

Galt · 11-12-2010, 05:52 AM

Yeah, I realize there isn't just one approach that works for every situation, but the alternatives to security failures are just so screwed that I tend to err on the obsessive side. I would add however that along with keeping the "in the know" list as short or non-existent as possible, there are a couple of other areas where I see and hear of folks getting messed up that require some additional consideration.

Take Murphy's Law for gospel and count on whatever is possible that could go wrong as though it were guaranteed. If you're managing a small grow in an apartment and you don't have everything buttoned up tight, that'll be the day that the guy above you has his toilet overflow while you're at work and the maintenance crew lets themselves in. That one day past its prime that you let the carbon filter run is the day that a LEO does a traffic stop in just the right spot to catch a whiff.

I just hate to see anybody get caught up in our so called criminal justice system. They won't be happy until they've got everyone's finger prints, mug shots and DNA in their data base and half of our population is incarcerated or on some sort of monitored probation/parole. We're only one bad legislative initiative away from every law breaker being fitted with an RF tracking chip implant. They'll claim that it'll save money that they don't have and it will make every body safer, blah, blah, blah, and because it's directed at all of those "criminals" nobody will say shit to stop them.

I'm still constantly amazed by the fact that people even shop at the local hydro store here. Just for shits and giggles I followed somebody who was pulling out of their lot as I was driving by one day. I literally followed this idiot right into an old industrial area where I know no one lives. I just drove on by and turned around in the next block. Then I drove back to where he had turned off and wandered around a two or three block area till I saw his vehicle. Now at that point I split but if I'm a LEO all I need to do at that point is sit and wait to see which building the guy walks out of. From there it's a matter of taking a walk around the building with a drug dog, maybe noticing an electric meter that's been fucked with, or a strange glow just past sunset. The rest is public record and database search info that most of the LEO's can now get right from their car. Within a couple of hours of leaving the store a really determined DEA type is gonna have a search warrant in hand and be pullin' down copies of credit card and bank activity so they can grab everything. You don't have to be Columbo to catch people that are lazy or stupid.

The very technology that screws people up needs to be fully utilized to protect. Motion sensing low light digital cameras are a veritable steal now days. For a couple of hundred bucks you can put together a remote DVR auto notifying security system that can at least let you know when you're being looked at. It doesn't even require a really high tech base. Any old P4 computer can be fitted with a board that turns the PC into a controller capable of recording and monitoring a slew of camera feeds. The systems include motion activation and for the more well funded you can add pan and zoom to each camera. Work out you're communications link and you have 24/7 security that can send you snapshots or even streaming video of anything that triggers your perimeter surveillance. Bear in mind that even the most poorly funded police department can now access wireless remore cameras that are the size of a quarter for less than $20. GPS vehicle tracking devices are less than a hundred and wireless network intrusions are theirs for the taking thanks to the Patriot Act.

I haven't read every thread title here but I think there's a need for some proactive thinking here to help everyone become more aware of just what the technological capabilities of the enemy are, and how to counter them. Low tech or no tech only works till they look in your direction. From there they don't really have to work too hard to catch people if and when they feel like it.

Jenna_Grows · 11-12-2010, 04:50 PM

Good post Galt

the Patriot Act... who needs that? People willingly give up their privacy with Facebook everyday...chronicli ng their lives complete with pictures. If any law enforcement asked anyone for that kind of information, the roof would come off, but the masses have done this willingly.

My list of growing stealth in order of importance

1. Tell noone and that includes the internet less you go invisible.. (proxy server, non-googlable nick like Jenna... amazing what comes up when you google Jenna) Like I said, I don't include my partner in the "noone" catagory and he wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell hiding a grow from me.

2. The best odor control available in place before beginning. It's more valuable to a successful grow than lighting. You can always upgrade your lighting but odor control, well, cut corners on that and everyone knows and game over.

3. Stay small. Let the guy down the street get busted for 100 plants with a street value of 8 trillion dollars.

stoneric · 11-12-2010, 05:27 PM

If you stay small and don't deal, you avoid most of the shitstorm that could hit.

Galt · 11-12-2010, 05:41 PM

Amen!

The Facebook thing amazes me. Even some of the stuff I see here. Peeps post pics of a grow with a milk crate in the corner. Then there's another from the same cat with his favorite hockey team's colors. Now I've got him narrowed down to a likely town. Then there are past posts with tidbits here and there. I'll spare anyone the reveal but there were and are plenty of other unhealthy clues left by many helpful souls posting weed porn even here.

I don't mind seein' some smack dealer that can't shoot straight get double life, but I can't handle the idea of some kid gettin' double fucked for the rest of his life over friggin' weed. The rational behind the power and control that manages that is just retarded bullshit.

Jenna_Grows · 11-12-2010, 06:19 PM

Gotta take the profit out of the pot to free the herb.

Its a silly law but then again, its silly for someone to start a factory in their home to produce it. If the motive for growing is greed...then its not going to end well.

sproutman · 11-17-2010, 10:37 AM

There is a truth in the old saying that silence is gold

Xil · 11-17-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenna_Grows

Good post Galt

the Patriot Act... who needs that? People willingly give up their privacy with Facebook everyday...chronicli ng their lives complete with pictures. If any law enforcement asked anyone for that kind of information, the roof would come off, but the masses have done this willingly.

My list of growing stealth in order of importance

1. Tell noone and that includes the internet less you go invisible.. (proxy server, non-googlable nick like Jenna... amazing what comes up when you google Jenna) Like I said, I don't include my partner in the "noone" catagory and he wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell hiding a grow from me.

2. The best odor control available in place before beginning. It's more valuable to a successful grow than lighting. You can always upgrade your lighting but odor control, well, cut corners on that and everyone knows and game over.

3. Stay small. Let the guy down the street get busted for 100 plants with a street value of 8 trillion dollars.

so at 60 an eigth thats what, ten million pounds per plant?

i want some tips from that grower

11-11-2010, 02:56 PM	#21 (permalink)
Galt Si fecisti nega! Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: In the Great State of Denial Posts: 565 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 304 Thanked 316 Times in 208 Posts	No...I think I'll stick with no one means absolutely no one There have been three big grow ops busted 'round here. They were all significant as in hundreds of pounds and hundreds of plants. One I haven't heard the particulars on as yet, one was somebody gettin' snatched and throwin' the grower under the bus, and the last was because the neighbors complained to the LEO's about the stink. Whatever the case, there's something to be learned from each of their failures. My significant other, I am confident in saying, would never throw me over, but she knows nothing. This is as much for her benefit as my own. I figure that if she doesn't notice it and she lives with me than the chances of somebody who doesn't know me that well figuring it out are pretty slim. Also, if she does begin to suspect or wonder than she is helping me by providing an unknowing warning to me before I do something really stupid or obvious that will make others curious. She's like my own private early warning system. I realize that this seems like a crappy thing to do as far as relationships and trust go, but she is totally against weed and everything having to do with it, so it's not like I'm ever going to get her cooperation or willing assistance. She knows that I'm a medical user but that's as far as it goes, and even then I pretty much don't use it around her out of deference. As for the grow, let's just call it providing her with plausible deniability. (WTF, it works for the government) Recently I looked up an old friend after 25 years. Within the first 1/2 hour of catchin' up I knew that he was still gettin' high (no big deal since we all used to back in the day), but I also knew what he smoked, where he got it and could guess within a few blocks where it was being grown. For all he knew I was under indictment for some heinous crime and lookin' for some leverage to cut a deal with. After all, if we were such good buds why hadn't I seen him in 25 years. Now that's not the case, and I gave him shit for being such a loose lipped slut, but it could of been as bad or worse than my hypothetical. Why his supplier would share all that he did with this knucklehead is beyond me, but I sure as hell didn't repeat the mistake. You never have to worry about a rat or goof who's happy to brag about "knowin' a guy" if ya just keep it all to yourself. Look at it this way. Every person that knows increases the chances of you getting caught exponentially, and the first person you tell increases that likelihood by 100%. Those odds suck. __________________ "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) _________________ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

11-12-2010, 05:52 AM	#23 (permalink)
Galt Si fecisti nega! Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: In the Great State of Denial Posts: 565 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 304 Thanked 316 Times in 208 Posts	Forwarned is forarmed Yeah, I realize there isn't just one approach that works for every situation, but the alternatives to security failures are just so screwed that I tend to err on the obsessive side. I would add however that along with keeping the "in the know" list as short or non-existent as possible, there are a couple of other areas where I see and hear of folks getting messed up that require some additional consideration. Take Murphy's Law for gospel and count on whatever is possible that could go wrong as though it were guaranteed. If you're managing a small grow in an apartment and you don't have everything buttoned up tight, that'll be the day that the guy above you has his toilet overflow while you're at work and the maintenance crew lets themselves in. That one day past its prime that you let the carbon filter run is the day that a LEO does a traffic stop in just the right spot to catch a whiff. I just hate to see anybody get caught up in our so called criminal justice system. They won't be happy until they've got everyone's finger prints, mug shots and DNA in their data base and half of our population is incarcerated or on some sort of monitored probation/parole. We're only one bad legislative initiative away from every law breaker being fitted with an RF tracking chip implant. They'll claim that it'll save money that they don't have and it will make every body safer, blah, blah, blah, and because it's directed at all of those "criminals" nobody will say shit to stop them. I'm still constantly amazed by the fact that people even shop at the local hydro store here. Just for shits and giggles I followed somebody who was pulling out of their lot as I was driving by one day. I literally followed this idiot right into an old industrial area where I know no one lives. I just drove on by and turned around in the next block. Then I drove back to where he had turned off and wandered around a two or three block area till I saw his vehicle. Now at that point I split but if I'm a LEO all I need to do at that point is sit and wait to see which building the guy walks out of. From there it's a matter of taking a walk around the building with a drug dog, maybe noticing an electric meter that's been fucked with, or a strange glow just past sunset. The rest is public record and database search info that most of the LEO's can now get right from their car. Within a couple of hours of leaving the store a really determined DEA type is gonna have a search warrant in hand and be pullin' down copies of credit card and bank activity so they can grab everything. You don't have to be Columbo to catch people that are lazy or stupid. The very technology that screws people up needs to be fully utilized to protect. Motion sensing low light digital cameras are a veritable steal now days. For a couple of hundred bucks you can put together a remote DVR auto notifying security system that can at least let you know when you're being looked at. It doesn't even require a really high tech base. Any old P4 computer can be fitted with a board that turns the PC into a controller capable of recording and monitoring a slew of camera feeds. The systems include motion activation and for the more well funded you can add pan and zoom to each camera. Work out you're communications link and you have 24/7 security that can send you snapshots or even streaming video of anything that triggers your perimeter surveillance. Bear in mind that even the most poorly funded police department can now access wireless remore cameras that are the size of a quarter for less than $20. GPS vehicle tracking devices are less than a hundred and wireless network intrusions are theirs for the taking thanks to the Patriot Act. I haven't read every thread title here but I think there's a need for some proactive thinking here to help everyone become more aware of just what the technological capabilities of the enemy are, and how to counter them. Low tech or no tech only works till they look in your direction. From there they don't really have to work too hard to catch people if and when they feel like it. __________________ "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) _________________ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

11-12-2010, 05:41 PM	#26 (permalink)
Galt Si fecisti nega! Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: In the Great State of Denial Posts: 565 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 304 Thanked 316 Times in 208 Posts	Amen! The Facebook thing amazes me. Even some of the stuff I see here. Peeps post pics of a grow with a milk crate in the corner. Then there's another from the same cat with his favorite hockey team's colors. Now I've got him narrowed down to a likely town. Then there are past posts with tidbits here and there. I'll spare anyone the reveal but there were and are plenty of other unhealthy clues left by many helpful souls posting weed porn even here. I don't mind seein' some smack dealer that can't shoot straight get double life, but I can't handle the idea of some kid gettin' double fucked for the rest of his life over friggin' weed. The rational behind the power and control that manages that is just retarded bullshit. __________________ "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) _________________ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

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11-12-2010, 05:04 AM	#22 (permalink)
Jenna_Grows Old School Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 946 Thanks: 311 Thanked 315 Times in 191 Posts	Different strokes for different folks.. but...Can't very well damn a person for not keeping your secret when you couldn't keep it in the first place. I wouldn't grow without my partners nod...he's my partner in life..that supercedes growing for me. I sure wouldn't do something that has the potential to bring a whole shwack of shit into his life without his knowledge.

11-12-2010, 04:50 PM	#24 (permalink)
Jenna_Grows Old School Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 946 Thanks: 311 Thanked 315 Times in 191 Posts	Good post Galt the Patriot Act... who needs that? People willingly give up their privacy with Facebook everyday...chronicli ng their lives complete with pictures. If any law enforcement asked anyone for that kind of information, the roof would come off, but the masses have done this willingly. My list of growing stealth in order of importance 1. Tell noone and that includes the internet less you go invisible.. (proxy server, non-googlable nick like Jenna... amazing what comes up when you google Jenna) Like I said, I don't include my partner in the "noone" catagory and he wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell hiding a grow from me. 2. The best odor control available in place before beginning. It's more valuable to a successful grow than lighting. You can always upgrade your lighting but odor control, well, cut corners on that and everyone knows and game over. 3. Stay small. Let the guy down the street get busted for 100 plants with a street value of 8 trillion dollars.

11-12-2010, 05:27 PM	#25 (permalink)
stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,636 Thanks: 702 Thanked 1,509 Times in 1,064 Posts	If you stay small and don't deal, you avoid most of the shitstorm that could hit.

11-12-2010, 06:19 PM	#27 (permalink)
Jenna_Grows Old School Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 946 Thanks: 311 Thanked 315 Times in 191 Posts	Gotta take the profit out of the pot to free the herb. Its a silly law but then again, its silly for someone to start a factory in their home to produce it. If the motive for growing is greed...then its not going to end well.

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