Dandaweedman

Loose Lips Sink Ships.
Keep your mouth sealed.
Even your most trustworthy friend could turn on you if the situation arises and he/she is scared enough by the feds.
If you have friends that you'd like to come over so you can smoke with them just tell them you recently picked up an ounce.

The more people that know, the higher your risk of being raided.
If you happen to run out of bud you're carrying and you have the urge to hit the master stash and show back up with your friends with another fresh sack of fine cannabis, suspicion will rise and so will the questions.

Think about this. Have fun and be safe.

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Dandaweedman

AF sent me this article, I'm not sure the author, but it's good stuff to know:

In any war, intelligence--information about the enemy--lays the groundwork for attack.
So, the less police know about growers the better.
Law enforcement collects most of the information about the enemy from the enemy.
By controlling their activities and surroundings, growers minimize what law enforcement knows about them and the accompanying aftermath.
Your activities--where you go, how you go there, what you buy, how you pay for it, who you talk to, what you say--are all things you can control.
Your surroundings--your home, growroom, outside property, electrical use, air quality, and visitors--are also parts of your environment that you are able to control.

Never trust anybody, not friends, not family, not even your own children or mother!
US conspiracy laws make it possible to jail victims for what they say or what is said about them.
America reminds me of Cuba is this regard.
A few years ago while visiting the forbidden island, I was amazed to find so many parallels between Cuba and the United States.
One of the most striking similarities the two countries share is the fact that what you say or what is said about you can land you in jail!

When it comes to war, you can throw out the Constitution and The Bill of Rights.
As federal Judge Jack Shanstrom told the jury before deliberation on the Jodie Israel marijuana-conspiracy case,
"an overt act does not itself have to be unlawful.
A lawful act may be an element of a conspiracy if it was done for the purpose of carrying out the conspiracy.
The government is not required to prove that the defendant personally did one of the overt acts.
Once you have decided that the defendant was a member of the conspiracy, the defendant is responsible for what other conspirators said or did to carry out the conspiracy, whether or not the defendant knew what they said or did."

The Judge continued:
"A defendant's knowledge of and participation in a conspiracy may be inferred from circumstantial evidence and from evidence of the defendant's action.
Acts which seem otherwise innocent, when viewed in the context of the surrounding circumstances, may justify an inference of complicity."

The most dangerous places to visit or telephone include other growrooms, stores that cater to indoor gardeners, and anywhere illegal drugs are being used.
Although very tempting, avoid visiting other growrooms.
You never know when or how they are being monitored by law enforcement.
Your presence at another growroom could tie you to it.
Testimony by the grower could implicate you and your grow operation even if they've never been to your garden!

Using your telephone is an obvious no-no!
Technology today makes tracking telephone numbers and their locations very easy.
Use a pay telephone to make calls when it involves a garden.
A case involving a police department that subpoenaed telephone company records of a garden store is currently being heard in federal court.
Phone records showed the telephone numbers that were used to call the store.
Narcs tracked these numbers down and watched the homes where they were located.
More than 1000 arrests resulted! Was the police action legal?
The courts are determining that now.
Meanwhile, a thousand POWs were taken over a four-year period.
Who knows how many police stations are using these same tactics?

When calling or visiting an indoor garden store, never, ever mention marijuana or anything illegal.
Do not allude to growing anything illegal.
They will be forced to kick you out or hang up immediately.

Stories abound about narcs watching garden-store parking lots and following clients home.
You never know when law enforcement will bring the battlefield to the parking lot.
Assume they are there.
If you must go to a dangerous place, do not go there regularly and do not drive your own car.
Take public transportation or go in a car not registered to you or anybody in your family.

Cash tells no tales and leaves no trails.
Pay for all purchases relating to the growroom in cash.
If you must order something by mail or UPS, pay with a money order that was purchased in cash.
Avoid the convenience of using a credit card.
Even if it's someone else's, you immediately become a bargaining chip for them if they have any legal problems.

Do not take photos of your garden that show incriminating evidence such as peoples faces, tattoos or anything traceable, such as telephone or license-plate numbers, addresses on a letter, etc.
When taking photographs to be developed, do not list your telephone number or address on the receipt.
Pay for the photos in cash and do not drive your car to the store.

If you live in the United States, never, never, ever show your growroom to anybody!
Do not tell anybody you are growing or have ever grown!
Always deny growing.
Such information in the hands of someone else renders you powerless.
The word "friend" rolls off the tongue so easily until the "friend" is interrogated by law enforcement.
Two of the major weapons cops have in their arsenal are deception and intimidation.
They lie and intimidate petrified growers to extort information from them.

When a grower is arrested, they are interrogated--not like in the movies, but for real.
The interrogation is not over one or two sessions.
It often goes on for months.
During this time, the accused (without being proved guilty) is coerced into providing information about other growers.
Even if they do not know anything about those growers, they are pressured to make up information so the police can use this erroneous information to secure search warrants.
Guilt by association has blindsided more than one grower.
A jealous, spiteful or vindictive friend, lover or enemy has complete control over you and your future if they know you are growing.
Imagine, just on the whim of a snitch, your life can be changed forever.
I met a grower who was cultivating marijuana as medicine to ease the side effects of chemotherapy he was receiving.
His vindictive daughter forced him to grow a bigger crop than he needed, sell the excess and pay her the proceeds in exchange for not ratting him out.
I could feel the pain in the poor man's words when he told me the story.

Once law enforcement has stumbled across evidence, received solicited evidence from spiteful snitches or coerced evidence from freaked-out friends trying to save themselves, they go out and look for information by subpoena, phone records, electric records, shopping records, etc., and then deploy more sophisticated snoop tactics, most often dogs trained to sniff marijuana.

All that I've got to say is have a lawyer, be prepared.
Cops are sneaky, be sneakier.
Get a big dog, and have a secured property.
Make sure that no one can get in unless you let them in, including cops.
Be safe brothers and sisters, and Overgrow the Governments!

Added by: glass joe

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mothernature

this is so true.

thanks dan.

LostanConfussed

So verry True Dan. But i can say that my Best Friend has my back, me an him been threw the hole cop trying to get ur buddy to turn on you, i would have to say thats a true friend i would do the same for him if the acausion rose!

Dandaweedman

It's the way it should be. Rats generally get what they deserve eventually
Those are posted by me but not written by me.
Overgrow.
Some little ditties I thought were worth reposting.

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SmokeaJoint

The OP is so true. Even the people who usually wouldn't snitch will turn on you in a flash if they get picked up by the 5-0. Not to mention those who would break in and steal your weed to avoid paying for it. Fucking fucker faces.

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LostanConfussed

My matto now since i started growing is DONT TRUST NOBODY AN SAY NOTHING TO ANYBODY, the less ppl know the better! An Carma is a bitch! Firm Believer in Carma

stoneric

I think everyones motto is 'tell no one' but how many actually live by it? We all think we can trust someone with our lives.

The Rev

It's not about who you tell, it's about who THEY tell. I had a grow, once upon a time, and I thought only my wife knew. I told her, "Tell NO ONE, not even your best friend". She SWORE to me that she told ABSOLUTELY NO ONE. Then, one night at a party, in a room with thirty people, my wife's best friend's husband asks me from across the room, "So, you still grow, dude?"

Seriously, trust no one, not even yourself.



The Rev

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Dandaweedman

I live it. I would never consider telling anyone, much less showing them.

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LostanConfussed

I guess we not living by the code cause we on here talking about ppls grows yeah?

profit

^^

Also LostNConfused- Karma is actually spelt with a K. Just getting some good Karma by telling you

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LostanConfussed

Thank You i am a horriable speller

Dandaweedman

That's a good point.
Course fair incognito on here if you choose to be

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Galt

A few warnings about how the real professionals get it done without laying a hand on ya. But first...THE golden rule of dealing with any LEO or other government stooge: SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Police do not ask questions because they already know the answers. They usually are dependent on you to hang yourself so SHUT THE FUCK UP!

You may in fact be a lot smarter and twice as glib as the brain addled civil servant that's asking the questions but guess what? Anything that you say WILL be used against you...so SHUT THE FUCK UP!

O.K. so I think we've covered the proper way to answer questions.
Copy the NORML Freedom Card, learn it and live it, and oh yeah...SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Now about the interrogation scene. If a friend or associate has been picked up and detained just assume they talked. As hard as it is to imagine, most folks just aren't prepared to deal with the high drama that Johnny presents them with. Threats about jail and taking your stuff or fucking with your family are usually just empty bullshit from a legal standpoint, but the average idiot still gets psyched out and starts trying to win friends and influence people or thinks that they can talk their way out of trouble. Go back to the beginning of this post and tat-fucking-too it to your hand if you need to but STFU!

If the authorities can manage to keep you awake for more than 24 hours and you haven't lawyered up you are destined to fuck yourself. In a sleep deprived state John Wayne would give his mother up to communists without a hand being laid on him. If they're just info fishing the admissibility of what they hear isn't an issue and their persistent patient asses will eventually find a way to turn inadmissible into something that they came across innocently. They are like water dripping on a rock once they get a sniff. Remember, they get paid whether they accomplish anything or not, whether they produce anything or not. That's one of the joys of working for the government.

Case in point: LEO sweats some dink who's never seen shit but he heard somebody over on Elm had a grow and his name was John. LEO's database access will tell him what color underwear John's dentist bought his girlfriend last Valentines Day and that's no shit. The Patriot Act and sundry other ass fuckings of the Constitution have left the fuckers with the ability to swear out wire taps and searches for each other without a judge ever even seeing it. They can scope your internet searches, spending habits, medical records, banking info, educational back ground, credit report, insurance policy info...you name it, and you can't even find out anymore what they've done even with a freedom of information act request.

Here's some more good news to help ya sleep at night. Remote video cameras that record color video and sound are available for $10 that are the size of a quarter and can carry a 4gb memory card. Even the poorest municipality can now afford high tech spy shit. They don't need to put a body on you to watch whatever you're up to, all they need is a cigarette pack sized GPS tracker on your car and a few wireless cameras Velcroed to that phone pole across the street. There are countermeasures available but you ain't gonna like what they cost, and if you get caught with them you might as well take the weed bust 'cuz they can prosecute you as a domestic terrorist and fuck you long time.

The good news is that they rarely discover anything unless it falls in their lap. It's just unfortunate how much shit dumb asses drop in their donut crusted laps.

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Peace seeker

i totally agree.

tell no one. NO ONE.

sometimes even old friends can get distant with time or even jealous.

theres plenty of people who -out of stupidity- might jump out on a party and yell something stupid (like the example the Rev mentioned).

stoneric

Can anyone that grows say he/she is the only person that knows about said grow? Don't exclude any human being. Not many, I'm thinking. So where is the line drawn? Spouse? Sibling? Parent? Not trying to be a dick, but I found it almost impossible to grow indoors and keep it completely to myself and I'm a boderline hermit.

Peace seeker

of course your other half will know about your growing. Since you live under the same roof, how could she/he not know?

unless you re a "Walter White" type (from breaking bad)

Dandaweedman

Other half should know, abso-lutely.
It's more geared to the rest of the world.

I don't live like a hermit but choose stealth instead of privacy.

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stoneric

I guess I was taking the "no one" literally.