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Old 01-08-2013, 07:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I know how to clone but I've discovered that one of my plants has produced excellent buds during flowering. Is it possible to clone the plant at this stage as all of the calyx contain flower buds.


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Old 01-08-2013, 07:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yes it is possible. Take a cut as normal (from the bottom of the plant will probably be easier). Remove as much bud material from your cutting but leave as many leaves as possible.
Put the cut in whatever medium you'd normally use (I use coco pucks), treating it with rooting gel first (or whatever you normally use).

Give the cutting(s) 20 or more hours of gentle light per day, they need to go back to vegetative mode- this can take some time, maybe weeks or even as long as a month. It is best to take a few cuttings as they have less chance of making it than regular cuttings.

The reason for removing as much bud as possible is not to give a chance for mould to develop- as the cutting re- veges any flowers on the cutting will die back.
Also removing most of any buds will help the plant adjust its hormone balance back to veg mode.

Because it tends to take longer than normal for roots to develop you need to keep humidity and temps just right to give them the best chance. I use a humidity dome with some slats on top to allow a little air movement, and ideally I'll keep them under 24 hr light to keep temps consistent and encourage them to re veg.

Alternatively, you can try revegging the plant. When you harvest leave the bottom part with some leaves - obviously you will be harvesting all the buds. Cut the top of the plant off.
Again leave the plant under 20 or more hrs per day (I'd go 24 hrs, again) and hopefully it will re veg. This is probably a surer bet than taking cuttings as the plant already has a root system so is more robust. On the other hand you can only do it after harvest.

If you do try cuttings, take them as soon as possible, the further the plant is in flowering the more adjustments the cuttings must make to re- veg.
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Many thanks for your comprehensive reply. I think I'll wait until I harvest as I reckon I've less than 2 weeks to go. If I'm reading this correctly I chop off the plant and leave a few leaves at the bottom of the growing stem then wait for renewed veg state, then clone. Would the stem then grow into a fully functioning plant again or would it be much reduced in growth/quality.

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Many thanks for your comprehensive reply. I think I'll wait until I harvest as I reckon I've less than 2 weeks to go. If I'm reading this correctly I chop off the plant and leave a few leaves at the bottom of the growing stem then wait for renewed veg state, then clone. Would the stem then grow into a fully functioning plant again or would it be much reduced in growth/quality.
Yep, sounds like you've got the gist.

You could just grow the re- veged plant to an appropriate size and flower the whole plant again. This is a fairly common method.

Personally I would do as you say and take clones once it starts re- veging.
Cannabis plants do not often naturally survive over winter- though this does occur sometimes in tropical regions. If cannabis plants are kept alive for a long time the risks of disease or other pathogens increase over time. By using clones you renew the plant tissue and minimise these risks.

I would perhaps suggest taking some cuts now- if they don't seem to be doing well you can try re- veging the whole plant after harvest. By using both methods this way you maximise the chances of success.

Good luck!
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On a side note...

I have never had any luck re-vegging a harvested plant under low light. I have, however had a high success rate re-vegging under HID lighting.

Just my personal experience.
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I have never had any luck re-vegging a harvested plant under low light. I have, however had a high success rate re-vegging under HID lighting.
Yup, Metal Halide light on, also feed it some nitrogen.
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The older or longer the plant is in flower the harder it seems to be to turn it back without it shocking and dying or completing it's natural life cycle and then dying.
I like FG's method. take some now from the sparse bud lower branches and also try to re-veg the original after harvest to maximize your chances. The beauty of cloning is that you only need one to work.
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I am going to give it a try both ways too.
One of my ladies is an exceptional pheno but I have no clones of her.
Good luck Dave....we will compare how it goes.....lol....
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good luck carving...she's pretty far along...how's she look under the canopy??
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WARNING cloneing during flower stresses a plant to hell. They are harder then hell to save "emergencies have caused me to have exsperiance in this." Most plants will stress slight growth mutations out. I have had plants that grow just one giant spike for a shade leaf and some that grow warped twisted leaves and even one that just flowered off like it was still on 12 and 12. Cloning during flower also has a much lower sucess rate i get about 1 in 5 when i take in flower and again mutants in some cases perminantly and in other cases plants show way deminished vigor both during and after regeneration begins. Revegging plants that were flowered under an hid should be done under an hid as the lower intencitie has a tendacy to cause flowering. Ill drop some mutant picks later tk demonstrate some stuff that can happen. And cloning past week four in floer is harder than fuck so good luck and drop pics so we can see how it turns out
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