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Old 04-21-2002, 11:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Post Mad Scientist/Botanist up to some clone experiment. Opinions???

Was talking with my sister who is a great gardener and flower expert.

She used a technique on some roses where she cut a slit in the stem of a rosebush, placed some rooting hormone on the cut, and then wrapped the cut with some peat moss and plastic. After a period of time, roots formed at the cut and she then cut the plant off below the root mass and had another rose bush clone.

Do you think something like this would work for my plants??? Seems like the clone would have a much better chance of success as it is still attached to the mother plant and would be able to get nutrients right away?

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On an old post I saw that someone had a fan leaf that fell onto the soil and they said it had begun to root. 6 days ago I tried this with like 3 midsized fan leaves. Pulled one out today to examine and WOW!!! Roots!!! There are no nodes on these cuttings, just the fan leaf. If it continues to prosper, will it grow to the point where nodes will eventually form. The cutting should have all of the genetic material to do so.

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Old 04-21-2002, 12:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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ok first of all roots will grow on your cutting if you get a rooting solution and you can by that like anywere. What you want to do is cut about 1 inch to 2 inches below a internode of two leafs then you coat the bottom of the cutting in rooting solution/powder whatever you find and put it in the soil the two leafs will turn into branches and in about two months depending of lights and conditions it will basicly become a new plant capable of producing bud. People do it all the time its called cloning.
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Old 04-21-2002, 03:04 PM   #3 (permalink)
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No, Matthew, he's talking about a special kind of cloning called air layering. You leave the clone-to-be on the mother plant, and only partially cut the area to be rooted. Then you apply rooting hormone and wrap it with peat moss.

This way the clone still enjoys water and nutrients from its mommy while developing a good root system. Once the roots are well developed, the clone can be cut from the mother and planted.

I'm planning to do this with my remote mountain plants. Seems like a reliable on-site cloning method. Hydroman, we'll have to compare notes!

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Old 04-21-2002, 04:43 PM   #4 (permalink)
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[quote]Originally posted by PAKAbraddah:
No, Matthew, he's talking about a special kind of cloning called air layering. You leave the clone-to-be on the mother plant, and only partially cut the area to be rooted. Then you apply rooting hormone and wrap it with peat moss.

This way the clone still enjoys water and nutrients from its mommy while developing a good root system. Once the roots are well developed, the clone can be cut from the mother and planted.

I'm planning to do this with my remote mountain plants. Seems like a reliable on-site cloning method. Hydroman, we'll have to compare notes!

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Hey PAKA ! Glad to see that someone knows what I am talking about. Matthew, I do know what cloning is but appreciate your input. Have been growing for about a year and a half and have cloned ever since my first seedling. Done it in dirt, pearlite, hydroponics, and am now ready to give air layering a try. Took a good cutting off of a lower branch. About an inch away from the main stalk. Air layered the cut and will do a comparison on the branch that was cut off and the one that was left on the mother plant. I think that the beauty of the layering method is that I will have a rooted clone that is already like 8" when the roots take.

Still wondering about the leaf cuttings I have that have rooted sooooo well.

Will they eventually grow and get nodes on them. Seems like a great method as I have not had to cut off a bud site to get it going.

PAKA, keep notes and such. Will definitely compare with you. Between the two of us we might just get this to a working science.

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Old 04-21-2002, 11:48 PM   #5 (permalink)
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[quote]Originally posted by kosh:
Hey there hydroman...its always better to experiment and fail and learn something rather than not experimenting and learning nothing...theres just too many clones(people) who just plod along and never experiment to offer anything new in the way of knowledge to the world, canna growers are no exception...one day you might make that break through.

..another experiment you could consider would be to use actual nodes from the plants(because they already contain the 'auxin'(hormone) required to form new growth).
I am not talking about an actual node,but a 'swelling' which exists where the leaf attaches to the plants...so after harvest, you could cut off these little 'knobs'...root them,and then they may just sprout new growth all on their own...you know where the leaf joins onto the stem...its swollen...that little piece of tissue could be the key.

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Kosh . . . you are the man. I will probably never learn over the years as much as you have forgotten. You have given me some good insight and information once again. You Damn near wrote a novel to my question...many thanks...

Will let everyone know how my trials and errors go with this endevor.

Thanks again Kosh and to all others who continue to help eveyone out.

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hey hydroman, what ever happened to those plants?
i was just thinking about air-layering, and when i searched i found this.
so how did it work out?
and did those rooted leaves grow into plants?
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Old 06-26-2003, 02:20 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I saw a post in Cannabis Culture once about a guy who lived in the tropics and trained his plants to grow along the ground as a vine and staking the stem down at semi cut spots allowing these to take root.

When you have the time and no winter to worry about I suspect some of the plants must have been monsters.

What was that book/TV show? Triffids?

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My friend said that he took a science class in college and that in the right conditions a plant can regenerate itself from even the smallest pieces. He said that they took this plant and crushed it into a pulp and placed that on a peetree(sp) dish and actually got the plant to grow from that. I never seen anything like that but I imagine it is possible.....
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