Smaerd

- already posted it before but a repost could never hurt. This man is very wise.

However to my knowledge a tincture is more concentrated then "green dragon", there are ways to go about decreasing the size of your tincture but that usually results in reduced yeild/potency.
{edit}I have had success making green dragon by merely allowing said amount of finely chopped cannabis in said amount of 151 vodka for two weeks, shaking every day for five minutes. It certainly isn't the same as smoking apipe.

and god... What I wouldn't give for an herb press. I sometimes believe I am an apothecary reborn in a world of restriction and sin.

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ScooterMan

When cannibinols are placed in a zero oxygen environment for an extended period of time, such as a jar filled with highly concentrated alcohol, many will "convert" over to THC. When THC enters into an acidic solution (like the stomach), some will convert over to THC-delta 9, which is considered to be the most psychoactive form of the molecule by some people. I use Sulphuric acid ( salt based) in my isomerizer for this process, but from what I've read many types of acid can cause this process. Immature MJ has very high amounts of CB, which the maturing plant converts naturally to THC. I use leaf in my iso, and the oil derived can be Very Potent. So, I believe that if you would want maximum results, putting your Green Dragon in a sealed container for an extended period of time, dependent on what you are extracting (leaf or bud), would be beneficial. From my experience, the newly formed THC molecule is not very stable, so shelf life would be limited, and vary from batch to batch.

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Let me get this straight, I can go to the store and buy a bottle of legal poison and get drunk, and buy a pack of cancer, but I can't use a plant that grows wild in the ditch and has never killed anyone? Hypocrisy is never intelligent.

Smaerd

It is a good idea to keep all extraction processes of psychoactive alkaloids in dark, air tight environments(general ly room temp too). Psychoactive chemical structures when released from their plant source in general become very unstable.

Not to discredit this information, however, that would really only matter if the cannabis specimen he was using wasn't fully cured. Also Ethanol(C2-H6-O), notice there is still oxygen there.

The only difference between iso hash and green dragon is, the alcohol's used in the processes and in iso-hash you allow your solvent to evaporate.

The main reason why the buds are heated in an oven in that process is mainly to REMOVE water, thus allowing the ethanol to work more effectively. You want your speciment to be dry and powdered very finely, whether is is trim, buds, stems, green dragon, iso-hash.

The idea behind green-dragon is it takes a larger amount of cannabis to eat(raw no preperation) to get the same bio-viability inside your body then if it is in tincture with alcohol. Essentially your using the ethanol(drinking booze) as a bus ride through your liver into your blood stream to allow the THC and cannabinoids(and a few other things) to flow freely about your system . The high should be similiar to hash(because essentially your making hash in your body), kind of awakening, pain easing, and trippy-esque(stoner absinthe).

ScooterMan

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Not to discredit this information, however, that would really only matter if the cannabis specimen he was using wasn't fully cured. Also Ethanol(C2-H6-O), notice there is still oxygen there.

The vegetable matter, if used for a conversion process, MUST be fully cured, drier than one would want to smoke. Any water would of course keep too much oxygen in the container. And I should add that a zero oxygen environment doesn't mean ALL the oxygen is gone, what O that may remain is too negligible to interfere with the process. I've never tried GD, but from what I understand one must release pressure when agitating the mix. If that's correct, I do not know.

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Smaerd

I'm pretty sure there is supposed to be a decent amount of pressure involved considering when people do extractions and want them done faster they heat them(increasing pressure but is a very delicate process a warm water bath is ideal for this or perhaps a dish-washing machine)... Do you mean burping the jar with the ethanol + cannabis mixed inside? I don't see what difference that would make... You can just shake the jar around with your hands...

I was just saying that it doesn't have to be zero oxygen for green-dragon in-fact it's a good idea to leave the jar/container your using with an inch or two of blank space(no solvent) so it's easier for shaking. You just don't want your jar to be open or else your solvent will evaporate.

AlteredStateGrl

All I've heard about the usage of Tinture is small amounts should be used regularly to prevent alot of aches and pains. They sell it at my club, and I know a girl who makes her own. She just uses a sealed tight jar like...half to 3quarters vodka, and the rest she fills up with herb. She keeps in the darkest place ever...and shakes the shit out of it daily for 3 months-ish. When it's ready, she keeps some in a little glass jar with a dropper and throughout the day, she uses a couple drops/a squirt maybe, underneither her tongue. She says it keeps her migraines and other pains at bay...or lessens them. I've never tried it myself...don't really plan to.

Also, ^ that is all from memory...so, give or take here and there.

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Smaerd

Pretty much it ASG, 3 months may be a bit over kill unless she is using a low percent alcohol(100 proof), but regardless that sounds like a good recipe. Might wanna add in coffee filtering out the little crumb goo piles left over after the extraction .


I find this girl to be very insightful.

AlteredStateGrl

Yeah..the 3 months part might be where my memory fails a bit...

Totally hear ya with the coffee filtering of teh goo.

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José

what the hell?

how long does it keep? it's not like you get worts every month or even year... or ear aches..

Smaerd

Cannabis isn't really for warts or ear-aches... More like chronic pain for cancer patients or chrones disease(your gonna use that shit every day then). That lady says a tincture lasts for 3 years. I believe they could last longer if kept in a refridgerator/freezer and shaken before each use. Nothing is going to mold in a tinted glass dropper filled with alcohol. No alkaloids are going to escape, possibly break down if in a room temp environment however.

WildWill

I have dabbled in trying out different tinctures lately - I love them. The delivery system is the fastest you can get an effect out of THC.

I have tried several recently, each made with a different method. The most effective (and worst tasting) was a tincture made of vapor-poo and bacardi 151. Worked great, tasted like shit.

I've also recently had sprays that are very, very tasty, but not quite as effective. They're oil based not alcohol.

I'm going to make my own as soon as I have enough vapor poo, I've got 19 grams saved up right now, when I get closer to 25 I'll make it. My plan is to use glycerin instead of alcohol and use the same method shown above. Two months of daily turning over should be enough, and I'll have a nice tincture by the end of January.

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Smaerd

Never heard of a glycerine based extraction you should document it for yahookas sake!

José

25 grams of vapor poo.... hmm... How much would that equate to in ready to smoke form??

WildWill

Hmm...I dunno, it weighs about the same coming out of the Volcano as it did going in, maybe a BIT less. I would guess it would be only a bit less than a full OZ of non-vaped leaf.

It's great, it's like a huge baggie of brown weed. My Uncle who didn't know what it was thought it might be some great Afghani, but I've never seen Afghani look quite that brown.


As for the Glycerin - yeah, I'll probably take pics and document it, I gotta get on that though, gotta find some Glycerin.

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WildWill

Bump - I found Glycerin at the health food store for about a buck an ounce. I bought 8 ounces and started my tincture. I'll post a pic in a day or two. It's odd, the glycerin is actually very thick and sweet tasting.

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