Phat does LST

phat pharmer · 12-16-2004, 03:05 PM

Yep no screen this time, ive been reading up and looking at loads of pics of LST, (low stress training). Ive had several half hearted attempts in the past and of course have had to tie down plants that have got too tall.
The key to LST is to keep the main growing tip lower than the rest of the plant so that it encourages it to bush out lower down, this obviously requires you to be around to re-adjust the ties on a regular basis as the growing tip realigns itself vertically....hence the half hearted attempts earlier...

Im not gonna go into detail about how to do LST as there are many better threads out there which will explain far better than i ever can.
Read these threads for how

Smokinrav does LST

What is low stress training ?

So this brings me on to my latest attempt to produce quality homegrown marijuana, things are more in place now then ever before..im happy with the grow space, ive got all my temps and humidity sorted just fine thanks to a ruck fan, a little oil filled rad, a remote humidity and temp weather station and my new toy a fan contoller with thermostat, it allows me to play god with the grow room enviroment...its brilliant. Ive even got myself a small de-humidifier for the later stages of flowering.

Im filling the space with Sensi Skunk x Northern Lights the taller of the two phenos i got from a top geezer who contributes here small discussion on strain

As with all new grows you tweak many things, as you learn from previous grows, on this occassion i have moved away from organic nutrients although im still using a soil mix as a buffer, i found i didnt really get on with the Earth Juice range, the bottle had ran out and my friendly hydro store suggested the Canna range for soil, so 50 nuggets later i now have a small chemist of grow chemicals, Canna Rhizotonic, Canna Terra Vega, Canna Terra Flores, Canna PK 13-14, GH Ripen and PH Down. When using the Canna range it adjusts the waters ph to about 6.2 -6.4 which is excellant for soil grows.
This is the first ever grow where ive had all the same strain in the grow room, im trying to maximize my yeild to my space, and a fairly uniform grow is the way to go...LST or SCROG etc
Ive got enough flavours in the jar to last a good while, time to fine tune my gardening skills. Ive got a good benchmark as Sureshot posted a budpic of the SSxNL he's been growing and i believe its from the same genetics to what ive got....Cheers Buddy

Anyways heres a few pics of the six of them, a little bit more vegging, a little bit more tying, a few more chemicals (sorry Sureshot), and then 12/12.
I'll come back to this thread and keep it updated as the grow progresses, oh yeah and the pictures will get better as ive got a new digi cam on order off santa for christmas, its the remarkable, great for macros, super fast shutter speed Ricoh Caplio G4 Wide

Phat

phat pharmer · 12-16-2004, 03:19 PM

This is SureShots bud pic of a SSxNL at 50 days flowering.
Beautiful, just beautiful..

Looks skywards and prays to the Phat Green one........

kiWikkid · 12-18-2004, 02:53 PM

Yes Phat, yours will be a very interesting grow to follow.

I used to prefer not vegging my clones and going for a SOG-like grow, so I would have more harvests in a set period(I'm useless at budgeting my smoke), but that requires having more plants for a set yield. So in the interest of "risk management", I want to grow less plants but harvest the same amount of herb. Because I have limited headspace, this LST type of grow will probably suite me.

I have also reversed my light cycle, so that they're on mainly at night when its cooler. Now my "lights-on" temp is roughly 26C/82F and "lights-off" temp is 20C/70F, a difference of 6C as opposed to 15C, which it was. I have already noticed a reduced spacing between the nodes, which you mentioned in another thread would happen, so its all good.

phat pharmer · 12-19-2004, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiWikkid

Yes Phat, yours will be a very interesting grow to follow.

I used to prefer not vegging my clones and going for a SOG-like grow, so I would have more harvests in a set period(I'm useless at budgeting my smoke), but that requires having more plants for a set yield. So in the interest of "risk management", I want to grow less plants but harvest the same amount of herb. Because I have limited headspace, this LST type of grow will probably suite me.

I have also reversed my light cycle, so that they're on mainly at night when its cooler. Now my "lights-on" temp is roughly 26C/82F and "lights-off" temp is 20C/70F, a difference of 6C as opposed to 15C, which it was. I have already noticed a reduced spacing between the nodes, which you mentioned in another thread would happen, so its all good.

Thats good, all seems to be coming together for you, you really will notice the difference in node spacing during the stretch, more nodes = more bud sites.

You could try a perpetual harvest where you harvest a couple of plants a month from your crop, then replace with fresh clones ready for flowering.
Try to get your lights on temp down just a bit, your lights off is spot on....

Phat

phat pharmer · 12-19-2004, 03:53 PM

my spa reckons my new crop looks like a bunch of cabbages ready...
there due for a bit more training...i'll do a b4 and after pic of the cabbages...tomorrow zzzzzzzz

phat pharmer · 12-20-2004, 01:31 AM

Spa = Friend, as in your sparring partner (boxing)
I dont box but he's my spa, mate, buddy and technical guru

Sureshot · 12-20-2004, 10:16 AM

Looking forward to this one too. So many grows, so little time!

Awesome, and yeah, same genetics, or as same as you can ever get. I'd take credit, but i just picked a mummy and a daddy and let nature take it's course.

phat pharmer · 12-20-2004, 03:48 PM

You can see by these shots the amount of growth along the main stem which is horizontal, some of these shoots have been tied down as well.
It was like a messing about in a jungle trying to get the ties in place, the growth is amazing, there really bushy little girls.

to quote sureshot
As for the SS x NL, I personally prefer the taller pheno, she gives classic donkey dick kolas that are ever so pleasing to the eye. In choosing this one you limit yourself a little to column growing. She's clones nice and quick so she makes for a nice SOG. She can get a little bushy if encouraged but generally a single cola suits it.
I hope i did the right thing by doing LST, looks as tho i may have to do a bit of pruning of shoots that wont make it to the canopy height.

There currently on 18/6 and have been misted with epsom salts for the last 4 days, i have just fed them a full strength nute mix and hope to be putting them into flower by the weekend after maybe a little more training.
Im using a new deeper pot size, i got these at the local supermarket, they use them to sell their flowers in........brucie bonus

Phat

refinoj · 12-21-2004, 02:22 AM

can't wait to see the buds man!

looks great

phat pharmer · 01-02-2005, 01:39 PM

Happy New Year to everyone.

I hope you all enjoyed those big nugs/buds that you were saving for the holiday period, you know the extra special sparkly ones as much as i enjoyed mine.
Anyway thank fuck thats over for another year...

In between caning my credit cards i managed to do some gardening, and as you can see from the pics, a little training here and there pays dividends.
Ive removed some leaves lower down that were not receiving light and had a general light prune lower down, mainly to open up the middle of the plant to allow more light as the secondry stems reach the pots edge.
The first pic is the day they went 12/12 which oddly was christmas day

The second and third pics are 1 week into flower, the canopy height is only between 10-12 inches high and has many budsites, i will do a little bit more training during the stretch to keep the canopy at the same height.

Very Phat

phat pharmer · 01-02-2005, 01:40 PM

phat pharmer · 01-02-2005, 01:43 PM

kiWikkid · 01-02-2005, 02:14 PM

Holy sea of mind blowing potentiality Batman

Sureshot · 01-03-2005, 08:18 AM

Nice man, very nice. Those girlies branch out nice, look pretty even too - how has growth been main stem vs node growth?

Look very healthy though man. Gonna be a nice canopy of buds there.

phat pharmer · 01-04-2005, 01:23 AM

@ Kiwikid. potentiality, mmm good word. Yeah bro im looking forward to this one too, i just love this early budding stage, they seem to get prettier everyday.

@ Dandaweedman. wipes dirt of green hands, mess, i dont do mess, especially not in the grow room, all my crap and mess is out of shot.
Seriously i make efforts to keep the veg and flower rooms clean, i dont want nasty bugs and what not ruining the crop, and anyway it dont take Mrs Pharmer that long......

Yes they are clay balls on top, i put about a 2inch layer on the soil, this helps retain moisture and prevents the top few inches of soil becoming to dry, it also makes it easier for when i water from the top by reducing damage to roots(?). I read somewhere once that when growing in soil and pots you are wasting at least 2 to 3inches of soil mix from the top of the plant, i just do it this way....works for me

@ Sureshot.
Thx bro, everything at this stage is just fine, im well chuffed with the plants.
The growth of the main stem compared to the node growth is ideal, the mainstem is horizontal obviously and slowed right down allowing the lower nodes to branch and do there thing, its all quite magical really

The lower node branches have all been tied to the pot as well, growth is awesome.
I was worried that these may be too bushy for LST but all seems great now that the stretch is under way. There is a lot of growth lower down that will never reach the canopy height,
here is where i am unsure what to do.....??

1. trim lower branches off allowing more of the plants energy to produce buds
or
2. keep them on and harvest in two stages
Is there really much difference in yield between the two methods ???

Okay now i need some info off you SS, tell me about the stretch (how long) ?
Any special requirements during feeding ? How many days did you flower for ?
They seem really vigourous and healthy and ive either got the nute regime and everything else just so, or im being very lucky....any tips on growing this strain would help.

Phat

kiWikkid · 01-04-2005, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phat pharmer

potentiality, mmm good word.

Yeah man.....its like.....potent man.....this dank is mad potent.....mixed with iality man.....you know.....like reality.....yeah man.....regarding stuff, you know, RE: this and RE: that ality.....but.....I-ality....it's all about the oneness man.....you know the.....yeah.....

phat pharmer · 01-05-2005, 03:56 PM

I think i just cum in my pants...

Im so glad i live in the digital age, im chuffed to bits with my new camera

Im gonna be in Macro heaven, i cant wait till they start getting sticky.

So to celebrate heres a whole host of pics for you.

Phat

phat pharmer · 01-05-2005, 03:57 PM

phat pharmer · 01-05-2005, 03:58 PM

phat pharmer · 01-05-2005, 03:59 PM

12-16-2004, 03:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Phat does LST Yep no screen this time, ive been reading up and looking at loads of pics of LST, (low stress training). Ive had several half hearted attempts in the past and of course have had to tie down plants that have got too tall. The key to LST is to keep the main growing tip lower than the rest of the plant so that it encourages it to bush out lower down, this obviously requires you to be around to re-adjust the ties on a regular basis as the growing tip realigns itself vertically....hence the half hearted attempts earlier... Im not gonna go into detail about how to do LST as there are many better threads out there which will explain far better than i ever can. Read these threads for how Smokinrav does LST What is low stress training ? So this brings me on to my latest attempt to produce quality homegrown marijuana, things are more in place now then ever before..im happy with the grow space, ive got all my temps and humidity sorted just fine thanks to a ruck fan, a little oil filled rad, a remote humidity and temp weather station and my new toy a fan contoller with thermostat, it allows me to play god with the grow room enviroment...its brilliant. Ive even got myself a small de-humidifier for the later stages of flowering. Im filling the space with Sensi Skunk x Northern Lights the taller of the two phenos i got from a top geezer who contributes here small discussion on strain As with all new grows you tweak many things, as you learn from previous grows, on this occassion i have moved away from organic nutrients although im still using a soil mix as a buffer, i found i didnt really get on with the Earth Juice range, the bottle had ran out and my friendly hydro store suggested the Canna range for soil, so 50 nuggets later i now have a small chemist of grow chemicals, Canna Rhizotonic, Canna Terra Vega, Canna Terra Flores, Canna PK 13-14, GH Ripen and PH Down. When using the Canna range it adjusts the waters ph to about 6.2 -6.4 which is excellant for soil grows. This is the first ever grow where ive had all the same strain in the grow room, im trying to maximize my yeild to my space, and a fairly uniform grow is the way to go...LST or SCROG etc Ive got enough flavours in the jar to last a good while, time to fine tune my gardening skills. Ive got a good benchmark as Sureshot posted a budpic of the SSxNL he's been growing and i believe its from the same genetics to what ive got....Cheers Buddy Anyways heres a few pics of the six of them, a little bit more vegging, a little bit more tying, a few more chemicals (sorry Sureshot), and then 12/12. I'll come back to this thread and keep it updated as the grow progresses, oh yeah and the pictures will get better as ive got a new digi cam on order off santa for christmas, its the remarkable, great for macros, super fast shutter speed Ricoh Caplio G4 Wide Phat Attached Images __________________ VOTE Phat

12-16-2004, 03:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	What i hope to achieve... This is SureShots bud pic of a SSxNL at 50 days flowering. Beautiful, just beautiful.. Looks skywards and prays to the Phat Green one........ Attached Images __________________ VOTE Phat

12-18-2004, 02:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
kiWikkid Wikkid Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: land of the bong white cloud Posts: 2,267 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes Phat, yours will be a very interesting grow to follow. I used to prefer not vegging my clones and going for a SOG-like grow, so I would have more harvests in a set period(I'm useless at budgeting my smoke), but that requires having more plants for a set yield. So in the interest of "risk management", I want to grow less plants but harvest the same amount of herb. Because I have limited headspace, this LST type of grow will probably suite me. I have also reversed my light cycle, so that they're on mainly at night when its cooler. Now my "lights-on" temp is roughly 26C/82F and "lights-off" temp is 20C/70F, a difference of 6C as opposed to 15C, which it was. I have already noticed a reduced spacing between the nodes, which you mentioned in another thread would happen, so its all good. __________________ __________________ THE BLUNCH BLACK OF BLOTRE BLAME

12-19-2004, 03:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	my spa reckons my new crop looks like a bunch of cabbages ready... there due for a bit more training...i'll do a b4 and after pic of the cabbages...tomorrow zzzzzzzz __________________ VOTE Phat

12-20-2004, 01:31 AM	#6 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Spa = Friend, as in your sparring partner (boxing) I dont box but he's my spa, mate, buddy and technical guru __________________ VOTE Phat

12-20-2004, 10:16 AM	#7 (permalink)
Sureshot Can't-Get-Right Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Surrounded by the unimaginative Posts: 6,444 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 16 Posts	Looking forward to this one too. So many grows, so little time! Awesome, and yeah, same genetics, or as same as you can ever get. I'd take credit, but i just picked a mummy and a daddy and let nature take it's course. __________________ - The information in the above post is conjecture and the poster a figment of your imagination. - All images are computer generated or were taken in nations with forward thinking laws. o GrowFAQ o Add A Canna Grow Tip o Other Highs FAQ o Inquiring Minds FAQ o

12-20-2004, 03:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	pic update You can see by these shots the amount of growth along the main stem which is horizontal, some of these shoots have been tied down as well. It was like a messing about in a jungle trying to get the ties in place, the growth is amazing, there really bushy little girls. to quote sureshot As for the SS x NL, I personally prefer the taller pheno, she gives classic donkey dick kolas that are ever so pleasing to the eye. In choosing this one you limit yourself a little to column growing. She's clones nice and quick so she makes for a nice SOG. She can get a little bushy if encouraged but generally a single cola suits it. I hope i did the right thing by doing LST, looks as tho i may have to do a bit of pruning of shoots that wont make it to the canopy height. There currently on 18/6 and have been misted with epsom salts for the last 4 days, i have just fed them a full strength nute mix and hope to be putting them into flower by the weekend after maybe a little more training. Im using a new deeper pot size, i got these at the local supermarket, they use them to sell their flowers in........brucie bonus Phat Attached Images __________________ VOTE Phat

12-21-2004, 02:22 AM	#9 (permalink)
refinoj Old School Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 288 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	can't wait to see the buds man! looks great __________________ how are you my nabs? little tender footed crabs meet my knuckle duster. you geeched that gazoon’s gow tried to break into the bow, go wipe your nose

01-02-2005, 01:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	pic update Happy New Year to everyone. I hope you all enjoyed those big nugs/buds that you were saving for the holiday period, you know the extra special sparkly ones as much as i enjoyed mine. Anyway thank fuck thats over for another year... In between caning my credit cards i managed to do some gardening, and as you can see from the pics, a little training here and there pays dividends. Ive removed some leaves lower down that were not receiving light and had a general light prune lower down, mainly to open up the middle of the plant to allow more light as the secondry stems reach the pots edge. The first pic is the day they went 12/12 which oddly was christmas day The second and third pics are 1 week into flower, the canopy height is only between 10-12 inches high and has many budsites, i will do a little bit more training during the stretch to keep the canopy at the same height. Very Phat Attached Images __________________ VOTE Phat

01-02-2005, 01:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Day 7 Attached Images __________________ VOTE Phat

01-02-2005, 01:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	. Attached Images __________________ VOTE Phat

01-02-2005, 02:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
kiWikkid Wikkid Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: land of the bong white cloud Posts: 2,267 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Holy sea of mind blowing potentiality Batman __________________ __________________ THE BLUNCH BLACK OF BLOTRE BLAME

01-03-2005, 08:18 AM	#14 (permalink)
Sureshot Can't-Get-Right Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Surrounded by the unimaginative Posts: 6,444 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 16 Posts	Nice man, very nice. Those girlies branch out nice, look pretty even too - how has growth been main stem vs node growth? Look very healthy though man. Gonna be a nice canopy of buds there. __________________ - The information in the above post is conjecture and the poster a figment of your imagination. - All images are computer generated or were taken in nations with forward thinking laws. o GrowFAQ o Add A Canna Grow Tip o Other Highs FAQ o Inquiring Minds FAQ o

01-04-2005, 01:23 AM	#15 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	@ Kiwikid. potentiality, mmm good word. Yeah bro im looking forward to this one too, i just love this early budding stage, they seem to get prettier everyday. @ Dandaweedman. wipes dirt of green hands, mess, i dont do mess, especially not in the grow room, all my crap and mess is out of shot. Seriously i make efforts to keep the veg and flower rooms clean, i dont want nasty bugs and what not ruining the crop, and anyway it dont take Mrs Pharmer that long...... Yes they are clay balls on top, i put about a 2inch layer on the soil, this helps retain moisture and prevents the top few inches of soil becoming to dry, it also makes it easier for when i water from the top by reducing damage to roots(?). I read somewhere once that when growing in soil and pots you are wasting at least 2 to 3inches of soil mix from the top of the plant, i just do it this way....works for me @ Sureshot. Thx bro, everything at this stage is just fine, im well chuffed with the plants. The growth of the main stem compared to the node growth is ideal, the mainstem is horizontal obviously and slowed right down allowing the lower nodes to branch and do there thing, its all quite magical really The lower node branches have all been tied to the pot as well, growth is awesome. I was worried that these may be too bushy for LST but all seems great now that the stretch is under way. There is a lot of growth lower down that will never reach the canopy height, here is where i am unsure what to do.....?? 1. trim lower branches off allowing more of the plants energy to produce buds or 2. keep them on and harvest in two stages Is there really much difference in yield between the two methods ??? Okay now i need some info off you SS, tell me about the stretch (how long) ? Any special requirements during feeding ? How many days did you flower for ? They seem really vigourous and healthy and ive either got the nute regime and everything else just so, or im being very lucky....any tips on growing this strain would help. Phat __________________ VOTE Phat

01-05-2005, 03:56 PM	#17 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Oh My Gawd I think i just cum in my pants... Im so glad i live in the digital age, im chuffed to bits with my new camera Im gonna be in Macro heaven, i cant wait till they start getting sticky. So to celebrate heres a whole host of pics for you. Phat __________________ VOTE Phat

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01-05-2005, 03:57 PM	#18 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Canopy Day 11 Attached Images __________________ VOTE Phat

01-05-2005, 03:58 PM	#19 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Canopy Close Day 11 Attached Images __________________ VOTE Phat

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phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Overhead Day 11 - Only 1 plant Attached Images __________________ VOTE Phat

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