Dandaweedman

OK, if breeding your own doesn't interest you.
Or you have a short attention span, skip this thread.
I am warning you now at the beginning.

OK, Daniel is going to be exploring the world of breeding a little bit.
I understand a lot of it, but not all of course.

So what I am going to do is start this thread of

Dandaweedman... gentleman breeder

OK, obviously I have a lot on the go with my seeds and grows and such.

But lets be honest I wanna learn to breed.
Not cause I wanna sell seeds
Not cause I wanna start a seed bank

But because it seems to be the thing to do.

Now I am breeding challenged, to me take a male and a female, cross em and trade seeds right?
Wrong.
If I am going to breed for seed to trade,
I am not going to want to give anyone seeds that are going to grow buggered or are going to hermie.
Or just aren't going to be up to snuff for that matter.
This IS my name we are playing with heh heh heh

scenario:

A mom heretoforth known only as P1-F
A dad heretoforth known as P1-M

For this I wanted to choose my best genetics that I had available.
I had a male StrawberryBlonde x C-99
I had a male Romulan x Yumbolt

The choices.
As far as genetics all I know about StrawberryBlonde #2 is that it was originally Breeder Steve's, it was released in 1994, and a description.

This mostly indica, produces well indoors or out.
Has subtle tastes and smells that remind you of something great.
Hypnotizing aroma and thick sweet taste!
Harvest: 9 weeks
Outdoor: End October.


But, it IS by breeder steve of Spice Of Life, so it must be good.
But no info, no go right?

I decided to go with the Romulan x Yumbolt for that very reason.

The Romulan is pure

Sagarmatha says Yumbolt is;

Yumbolt
Euro 70,00

First Prize Winner High Times Cannabis Cup 2001, Category: Seeds, Indica

Yumbolt brings back that old-fashioned flavor from the fabled hills of
Humboldt Co. California.
Possessing a sedative stone with an outdoor aroma, she will often induce heavy eyelids with a satisfying smile.
From the first toke till the last the taste remains.
A producer of large succulent flowers, this girl will qualify for every grower's wants and desires.
Cannabis connoisseurs cannot resist her hypnotizing powers.
She is believed to have originated from Himalayans of Afghanistan and
climatized in the mountains of Humbolt County California in the late 70's.
Several generations later in the early 90's we were blessed with the seeds
and then propagated them in Holland.
Sagarmatha entered her in a Cannabis Cup and received an honorable mention.
An outdoor sample from a customer in 2001 had similar charachteristics as the samples smoked in Humbolt in the early 80's.

These nugs often resemble dense, slightly golden frosted pinecones. Another amazing feature is the formation of tunnels of trychromes secreted on the tiny leaves that have curled in on themselves surrounding the tops.

Yumbolt will bring you high up in the hills and let you experience some real Californian sunshine.

Type: Indica - Sativa, indoor and outdoor
Start flowering: 4 - 7 internodes
Flowering time: 60 days
Average height: 1 meter
Yield: 350 grams / m² (dried, indoor)
High: stoney, comfortable and dreamy
Taste: very sweet



Rosa from Sagarmatha had this to say;
OK with that kind of info I feel good about my choices.

So that was stage one, finding our male.

Stage two our female.

May as well keep it simple and use the only female RomBolt right?

Stage three will be figuring out what documentation we need to keep.

Stage four is figuring out how we are going to pollenate,
whether selective or go hard.

And hoping we know what we are getting into.

Obviously this is a longer term project, but hopefully one we shall all learn a little from.
And in the end we shall be trading a few seeds maybe.

Parental pictures are coming up.

Daniel

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thcbuz

Hey Dan,
marijuana botany by Robert C. Clark is in my humble opinion the best book dealing with the breeding of cannabis that I've ever seen. there's several excellent books covering propogation and growth.if you don't have a copy yet and your wanting to breed, get a copy. mines a first edition from '81 that I've had since it came out. I'm about to send mine to a buddy that hangs with Rob Clark a lot. Bubbleman, the guy who makes the bubblebags is gonna get it autographed for me. I think that'll be sweet.
here's a link to a versions on the .net
http://www.mellowgold.com/grow/mjbotany-removed/
I found several online versions, but none of them have any illustrations and IMHO there are several illustrations that are virtually priceless when your trying to understand the breeding concept.
keep'em growin',
'Buz

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Dandaweedman

I gots the online version with pics.
Wanna copy?

That little 137 page dohickie is awesome, I read a bit of a few, but this one has it going on!

You rule THCbuz, nice to hobnob with the guys who have been growing for a few decades, that way if I get in trouble I'mm calling yer house heh heh heh.

Daniel

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thcbuz

post the addy fer everyone+ me ,
ol' Buzzard

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Dandaweedman

I knew you were gonna say that LOL, I haveta look.....
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http://www.geocities.com/hempgenes/botany1.htm

I am going to go and buy this book.
If the book sucked I would say bah, screw it.
But this book is worth the money to get I am thinking.

Daniel

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Dandaweedman

OK first up The P1-M, yep Big Mick Daddy!

weighing in at a staggering 8lb 6 ozs including pot, with a record of 0 pollinations in 0 attempts.
We are hoping for big things from this contender!!!

Daniel

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phat pharmer

how big is your room......????
you seem to have loads of shit on the go ???
give me some specs man

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Dandaweedman

And here we present Lady Loopie, named for the hope she makes me as loopie as loopie

Weighing in at a svelte 6 lbs 3 ozs including pot
she is adorned in a beautiful summer plumage of wonderful greens.
With just a breath of silken white pistils teasing us from within her swelling young calyx the minx.
Radiating lovely aromas enough to tantalize even the most discriminating of young males.

Daniel

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Dandaweedman

Here we have the little minx Lady Loopie in a position she definitely belongs in for breeding.
As well as a couple of details.

Daniel

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Dandaweedman

My reasoning behind the low stress traing is bud sites and access.
Once this girl starts to bud, getting access to the buds with the paper bags I will be using will be much easier.
Also I will be pollinating 3 budsites.
Reason for that?
one fails ya got two, just lika da book she say!
I say holy crap this is ME! Better do three!

So I shall take 3 different branches when the pollen sacs are almost ready to open
and place them in three paper bags.

After they have opened in the bags I will take out all plant matter and
pollinate the site by placing the bags over the budsites and shake vigorously.
The next day I will take Lady Loopie out of the room and remove the bags and give her a small mist with wah wah just in case.

Don't need any stray pollen flying round the grow room.

Then we wait.

Daniel

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phat pharmer

Always do three of everything......past , present and future

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mayorjuana

then change your clothes and shower, you would be surprised how easy you can contaminate your room with pollen. Breeding is a tough job man, good luck. I know some good seed swap clubs you can join if you get a stable strain

Dandaweedman

Umm trading seed is a sick bird!

Yeah thanks for the heads up buddy. Good to see ya catch that miss thank you.

Good point, gotta think perfection and I had better keep up with my reading.

Where ya coming from brother?
And welcome.

Daniel




P.S.

Thank you again buddy ya caught me on a few in this one.

to wit:

The first point I believe I should have done was explain a little better what I have in mind.
The beginning is always a good place to start, right?

Like da man with da knowledge said up above.
Stable.
Can't get better than that with what we have.

true breeding? correct me if I am wrong.
True breeding for a specific trait or series of traits... too lazy to go read it yet again today.

What we want is a plant with good traits with only one or two phenotypes if possible.

Thank you again.

Daniel

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Dandaweedman

Can ya tell me my future yet Phat? Am I going to be happy in my fairly immediate future?
heh heh heh
You are DE man brudda.

Daniel

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Dandaweedman

Damn, you like to get right to the meat and tatoes don't ya?

I am flowering in 3d x 3.5w x 5.5'h MDF box right now, it was my mobile flowering chamber Now I have it set within a second slightly larger room for stealth.
I have a 400 HPS and it seems to be covering the space fine.
6" inline duct fan into a home made carbon filter in a 5 gallon pail a la OG.
I have a 6" oscillating fan which will be changed tomorrow to a 12" as my room is running humid at 60% RH. I will open up my intake a bit more as the exhaust for this size cabinet is MORE than adequate.
If my plants are like these indica/sativas I can quite easily let the plant themselves (without pot) get to 3' tall without training or worrying about lighting issues. When I know they are going to get tall like the Cali-O, then I have to train them down.
I can't allow my plants to over run the light. That would be going in the opposite direction of what I need to do.
I am definitely running my maximum area with a 400, but things are going very well light-wise. If I change things or run into lighting issues in later grows I will take the boxes apart and have the room as 5dx 4d x 8'h and either add another 400 (smarter for my space) or go for a Kw.


Both doors lock

I have a veg area that was also made mobile that is set on top of said ex-mobile flowering chamber.Connected em together etc.
it is smaller at 2 x 3.5 x 3' tall. I have a fart fan pushing in as when I had it pulling out the temps went down to 72 and I like them to be at least 82. The babies eat that heat and humidity up like no ones business.

The lighting is CFL 23w soft white. I have ummm errrr 184 watts in that little space. They are strung like christmas lights (hanging) as I don't want the light bouncing too much. I do burn a few leaves, but I have had the lights the way they are now AND with those pop can shades horiz. But the babies like it better this way, and they are the boss.

Any more queries bud?

No I wear NO underwear

Daniel

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thcbuz

your right Dan,
sweet site with MJ Botany. it does have the illustrations in chapter 3. think what the information would be like without those charts representing what makes f1's,f2's,backcrosse s,and how traits are controlled by specific gene interactions? impossible to actually consider an attempt at breeding without it, as far as I'm concerned.I believe there's plenty of strain butchers out there. but with the book, I'm positive I could produce an acceptable representation of crossing different strains.

I like phat pharmers idea, doing things in 3's.past ,present,future.it assure's there will be a future.All my respect goes to the people who do their part to assure stability and availabilty of remarkable cannabis
RESPECT YOU ALL,
ThcBuz

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Dandaweedman

Phat Pharmer, while a reactionary (phat phat you know it's true dude lol)
IS a phenominal grower. He is the one who made me take a second look at how I was using my camera also.

A lot of the people who aren't so yappy as me on here breed some good genetics I be.

If anyone thinks they have a good stable seed of their own breeding. "OF THEIR OWN BREEDING" that is mostly indica with some medicinal properties. I would like you to send me some so I can do a grow log on it.

AND treatingyourself.com is looking for seed for med patients. ahem

Daniel

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phat pharmer

Well ive never been called a reactionary, but hell yeah, I'll wear that cap.....it would look good with the baseball bat.....

Phatty Bum Bum

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Dandaweedman

A quote from "OG GrowFAQ"
Thank you THCbuz for the link.

An IBL (inbred line) is a genetically homogeneous strain that grows uniformly from seed.
A hybrid is a strain made up of two genetically unlike parents, IBL or hybrid.
When you cross two different IBL strains for the FIRST time, it is called the F1 generation.
When you cross two of the same F1 hybrid (inbreed), it is called the F2 generation.
The process of selective inbreeding must continue at least until the F4 to stabilize the
recurrently selected traits. When you cross two specimens of an IBL variety, you get more
of the same, because an IBL is homozygous, or true breeding for particular traits.


This seems to sound familiar somehow.

Daniel... wondering what the heck he got himself into

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Dandaweedman

Dandaweedman gentleman breeder?
Not even close LOL
I have already seperated the breeders from the growers and I have come up severely lacking in the breeding department.

1. I am trying to do something here. Learn to breed. A little.
2.What I AM doing, it is called "full sib cross"
full sibling cross.

from what I have been reading in these books,
All I am going to get is more of what I have.simple.
Mota does all the work making this a strain worth selling,
and I come along and talk about breeding it OOOOO.
And all I am doing is crossing two excellent plants the good breeder
Motarebel obviously spent a lot of time and effort to make what I am doing dummy proof.

I stand before you the dummy.

OK, screw it. I refuse to give this up.
It has begun to interest me a little bit.
Things some guy called Vic High is saying... hmmm.

Free pollenation anyone?

To heck with it, I am putting up a poll.
I want to know what you think about it.

would that be a good idea? Might get something interesting, no?

Post in this thread, I want evidence for later.

In the flowering room;

COB LST
SB x C-99 x 3
Rombolt

I also have the skunk and the cob I am giving away oops


Daniel

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