Healthy Plants start from the beginning

phat pharmer · 04-12-2005, 03:10 PM

Im a firm believer that when planting your precious little beans that you get them off to as good a start as possible, and for me the answer lies in the main taproot, This must get off to a healthy start and an easy way off doing this is to plant your seeds in takeaway drinks cartons from Macdonalds or Burger king for example, just punch a few holes in the bottom and voila....
The advantage of using these cups is their tall and narrow shape, and this allows the rapidly growing taproot and newly forming root structure to grow unrestricted, you will be amazed at the growth. The way i look at is the height of the early plant/seedling will be matched by the height of the root structure
Anything shorter im afraid just dont cut it in my book, obviously if the cup/pot is shorter the roots will tend to start wrapping round which is not ideal, and doing it this way you can leave it a while longer before you need to re-pot and this will help minimise any stress which may occur to a younger plant when potting up.
PHAT's way....It works for me

phat pharmer · 04-12-2005, 03:12 PM

Here you can clearly see that this young start is in need of a repot

phat pharmer · 04-12-2005, 03:16 PM

Another advantage of using PAPER drinks cartons, they can be easily split to help with repotting, keeping root damage to minimum.
You can clearly see in these two pics the amount of root growth

phat pharmer · 04-12-2005, 03:20 PM

As soon as i have a decent rootball, i use Canna Rhizotonic and Ph adjusted water

Dandaweedman · 04-12-2005, 03:30 PM

Excellent thread.

Do you find that the Mickey D's cups turn to mush rather quickly?
So you would think the 16 oz cups would be far too shallow hey?
What about potting them directly into 1 gallon nursery pots? (like the rose pots but 1 gallon)

Daniel

BC Budman · 04-12-2005, 09:12 PM

Those look really nice Phat, How old are those from seed? I think I may have asked this before but, what kind of soil are you using there?

Peace seeker · 04-13-2005, 05:12 AM

that was my question as well^^

how old is the plant in pic2?

good work Phat

Dandaweedman · 04-13-2005, 02:02 PM

Yeah, what they said. And is that mould on the bottom of the cups? ewww
LOL

Daniel

phat pharmer · 04-13-2005, 02:43 PM

Okay questions..

@ BC, Peace and Danny bouy
the plant in the pic is 18 days old, thats 18 days from taking it out of the packet.

@jennacanna, hi.. about 3 weeks from the seed breaking the soil and i dont start the nutes for a few weeks yet...theres usually plenty in the soil mix, altho i do use the canna rhizotonic which is more of a root stimulant.

@BC...ya stoner, you always ask me the same stuff twice....

john innes #1 soil for seedlings and young veg and JI#3 for flowering, with perlite added, some lime...not the fruit kind

and some hydroclay balls for drainage top and bottom....

@dandy... mould...mmm a bit green but nothing to worry about...its more of the cup breaking down...decomposing.. .recyleable...good for the enviroment...

refinoj · 04-16-2005, 01:06 PM

wow! GREAT thread, i've never grown before but my roommates and i are going to start soon, i'll make sure to pick up a couple of those...

another question, do you re-use the soil from those mcD cups, or do you shake it off the roots and use brand new soil?

LaughinFit · 04-17-2005, 08:32 PM

Hey Phat how much of that Rhizo do you use, are you a firm believer in that stuff? Those plants look really healthy with dense thick stems, so green too. Gotta love indica's.

What kind of light are you using?

phat pharmer · 04-19-2005, 08:21 AM

@ refinoj. No i wouldnt shake the soil off, maybe loosen it a bit...depends how dry/wet it is when you repot

@ LaughinFit. Tis is my first time using the Rhizo and yes im mighty impressed, since ive started using it i have definately noticed a massive difference in my roots, much thicker and healthier, which obviously means the plant will benefit....
I use about 4ml per litre then adjust the ph
Im just using 4 CFL's for germ and young starts

Phat

Dandaweedman · 04-19-2005, 08:27 AM

So is this Rhizo like Mychorrhiza(sp) ?
I checked the home page, and they say " finest Norwegian seaweed extracts and biogrowth stimulants"

What is the Canadian equivelent?

It does sound awesome... and the results are fairly obvious too.

Daniel

Sureshot · 04-19-2005, 08:43 AM

It's organic and good that's all I care about. The blah goes something like...

Rhizotonic adds microbiological loveliness into the soil (about 60 types) to stimulate root growth. It also contains vitamins like B1 and B2 to stimulate the production of beneficial homones. Indeed, Rhizo contains a specific hormone (Oligosaccharine) that is used in the creation of cells.

Used alongside Cannazyme (an enzyme that helps in the break down of old root material and the stimulation of new growth) you have a perfect root care combination.

phat pharmer · 04-19-2005, 08:46 AM

On the bottle it says that it stimulates the rooting system and increases the resistance against illness. It also improves the internal and external quality of the crops.
Rhizotonic is ideal for Cutting and Plants that need to be repotted, Unhealthy and badly developed plants and plants which have suffered shock. When repotting you should pre-treat the growing medium with this solution..

IMO its cheap and very effective, and best of all specifically designed for the Canna plant
o yer its vegetable based and can be used as a foliar spray too....kinda of like a tonic...

Phat

Dandaweedman · 04-19-2005, 08:57 AM

For those of us in Canada here is a list of distributers.
http://www.canna-hydroponics.ca/dealer.php

Lilttle more info.. not much though.
http://www.canna-hydroponics.ca/rhizotonic.php

You rich buggers. $100 CAD for 1 liter? LOL oops outta my league.
http://www.bchydroponics.com/product.cfm?ProductID=84

Might NOT give that a try.

Daniel

phat pharmer · 04-20-2005, 12:45 AM

sheet thats a lot of bish bosh dosh, and i thought we got ripped off in the UK.
My supplier charges £28.00 for a litre bottle and £8.50 for 250ml.
The 250ml bottle has lasted for 3 grows......

Phat

LaughinFit · 04-20-2005, 07:16 PM

Where do you guys get all your 32oz. cups? I mean I know it's from McDonalds, but do you just ask for a bunch of them? I would also think a container of the same size made of plastic with holes drilled in the bottom would retain moisture for the soil better, but I could be wrong.

Phat that Rhizo stuff sounds awesome. The stems on your plants look thicker than they would normally be at their stage of growth/height. Good stuff, very robust.

Dandaweedman · 04-20-2005, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phat pharmer

sheet thats a lot of bish bosh dosh, and i thought we got ripped off in the UK.
My supplier charges £28.00 for a litre bottle and £8.50 for 250ml.
The 250ml bottle has lasted for 3 grows......

Phat

Yeah they are gouging us, 28 poundages is only 67 CA dullairs.
But wait! They do it to us on all the specialty items... and no kiss either.
Mind you even at $67 I would be too poor.
Yup everyone is rich in da UK

Daniel

phat pharmer · 04-22-2005, 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaughinFit

Where do you guys get all your 32oz. cups? I mean I know it's from McDonalds, but do you just ask for a bunch of them? I would also think a container of the same size made of plastic with holes drilled in the bottom would retain moisture for the soil better, but I could be wrong.

Phat that Rhizo stuff sounds awesome. The stems on your plants look thicker than they would normally be at their stage of growth/height. Good stuff, very robust.

The cups are from Maccy Dees or Burger King wherever.....
just ask for them......from the spotty burger flipper...
I put wholes in the bottom, with a pencil and have no problems retaining moisture/drainage whatever......
if you can find a more suitable plastic pot that is as narrow across the top, yet deep enough for my tap root, then let me know.

Yeah Rhizo rocks......

04-12-2005, 03:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Healthy Plants start from the beginning Im a firm believer that when planting your precious little beans that you get them off to as good a start as possible, and for me the answer lies in the main taproot, This must get off to a healthy start and an easy way off doing this is to plant your seeds in takeaway drinks cartons from Macdonalds or Burger king for example, just punch a few holes in the bottom and voila.... The advantage of using these cups is their tall and narrow shape, and this allows the rapidly growing taproot and newly forming root structure to grow unrestricted, you will be amazed at the growth. The way i look at is the height of the early plant/seedling will be matched by the height of the root structure Anything shorter im afraid just dont cut it in my book, obviously if the cup/pot is shorter the roots will tend to start wrapping round which is not ideal, and doing it this way you can leave it a while longer before you need to re-pot and this will help minimise any stress which may occur to a younger plant when potting up. PHAT's way....It works for me Attached Images

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phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Here you can clearly see that this young start is in need of a repot Attached Images

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phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Another advantage of using PAPER drinks cartons, they can be easily split to help with repotting, keeping root damage to minimum. You can clearly see in these two pics the amount of root growth Attached Images

04-12-2005, 03:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	As soon as i have a decent rootball, i use Canna Rhizotonic and Ph adjusted water Attached Images

04-12-2005, 03:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,407 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	Excellent thread. Do you find that the Mickey D's cups turn to mush rather quickly? So you would think the 16 oz cups would be far too shallow hey? What about potting them directly into 1 gallon nursery pots? (like the rose pots but 1 gallon) Daniel __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

04-13-2005, 05:12 AM	#7 (permalink)
Peace seeker free the herb Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,841 Thanks: 770 Thanked 549 Times in 384 Posts	that was my question as well^^ how old is the plant in pic2? good work Phat

04-13-2005, 02:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,407 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	Yeah, what they said. And is that mould on the bottom of the cups? ewww LOL Daniel __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

04-13-2005, 02:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Okay questions.. @ BC, Peace and Danny bouy the plant in the pic is 18 days old, thats 18 days from taking it out of the packet. @jennacanna, hi.. about 3 weeks from the seed breaking the soil and i dont start the nutes for a few weeks yet...theres usually plenty in the soil mix, altho i do use the canna rhizotonic which is more of a root stimulant. @BC...ya stoner, you always ask me the same stuff twice.... john innes #1 soil for seedlings and young veg and JI#3 for flowering, with perlite added, some lime...not the fruit kind and some hydroclay balls for drainage top and bottom.... @dandy... mould...mmm a bit green but nothing to worry about...its more of the cup breaking down...decomposing.. .recyleable...good for the enviroment... __________________ VOTE Phat

04-16-2005, 01:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
refinoj Old School Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 288 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	wow! GREAT thread, i've never grown before but my roommates and i are going to start soon, i'll make sure to pick up a couple of those... another question, do you re-use the soil from those mcD cups, or do you shake it off the roots and use brand new soil? __________________ how are you my nabs? little tender footed crabs meet my knuckle duster. you geeched that gazoon’s gow tried to break into the bow, go wipe your nose

04-17-2005, 08:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
LaughinFit The Exception to the Rule Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,382 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey Phat how much of that Rhizo do you use, are you a firm believer in that stuff? Those plants look really healthy with dense thick stems, so green too. Gotta love indica's. What kind of light are you using? __________________ AMBITION makes me so horny... Well that's alright, I know your sister(s) too. -Led Zepplin I've been working building muscles, while Owny's just been standin' round, gettin soft. -Johny Cash If I seem free, it's because I'm always running. -Jimi Hendrix At least my penis doesn't spew blood all over my pants once a month. -Real Corona If im not having orgies within a week im gunna be pissed. -toasty lol maybe if you clench your ass cheeks and scream like the hulk? -Sir-Ex

04-19-2005, 08:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	@ refinoj. No i wouldnt shake the soil off, maybe loosen it a bit...depends how dry/wet it is when you repot @ LaughinFit. Tis is my first time using the Rhizo and yes im mighty impressed, since ive started using it i have definately noticed a massive difference in my roots, much thicker and healthier, which obviously means the plant will benefit.... I use about 4ml per litre then adjust the ph Im just using 4 CFL's for germ and young starts Phat __________________ VOTE Phat

04-19-2005, 08:27 AM	#13 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,407 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	So is this Rhizo like Mychorrhiza(sp) ? I checked the home page, and they say " finest Norwegian seaweed extracts and biogrowth stimulants" What is the Canadian equivelent? It does sound awesome... and the results are fairly obvious too. Daniel __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

04-19-2005, 08:43 AM	#14 (permalink)
Sureshot Can't-Get-Right Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Surrounded by the unimaginative Posts: 6,444 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 16 Posts	It's organic and good that's all I care about. The blah goes something like... Rhizotonic adds microbiological loveliness into the soil (about 60 types) to stimulate root growth. It also contains vitamins like B1 and B2 to stimulate the production of beneficial homones. Indeed, Rhizo contains a specific hormone (Oligosaccharine) that is used in the creation of cells. Used alongside Cannazyme (an enzyme that helps in the break down of old root material and the stimulation of new growth) you have a perfect root care combination. __________________ - The information in the above post is conjecture and the poster a figment of your imagination. - All images are computer generated or were taken in nations with forward thinking laws. o GrowFAQ o Add A Canna Grow Tip o Other Highs FAQ o Inquiring Minds FAQ o

04-19-2005, 08:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	On the bottle it says that it stimulates the rooting system and increases the resistance against illness. It also improves the internal and external quality of the crops. Rhizotonic is ideal for Cutting and Plants that need to be repotted, Unhealthy and badly developed plants and plants which have suffered shock. When repotting you should pre-treat the growing medium with this solution.. IMO its cheap and very effective, and best of all specifically designed for the Canna plant o yer its vegetable based and can be used as a foliar spray too....kinda of like a tonic... Phat __________________ VOTE Phat

04-19-2005, 08:57 AM	#16 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,407 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	For those of us in Canada here is a list of distributers. http://www.canna-hydroponics.ca/dealer.php Lilttle more info.. not much though. http://www.canna-hydroponics.ca/rhizotonic.php You rich buggers. $100 CAD for 1 liter? LOL oops outta my league. http://www.bchydroponics.com/product.cfm?ProductID=84 Might NOT give that a try. Daniel __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

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04-20-2005, 12:45 AM	#17 (permalink)
phat pharmer Earache My Eye Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: two stops short of Dagenham Posts: 1,047 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	sheet thats a lot of bish bosh dosh, and i thought we got ripped off in the UK. My supplier charges £28.00 for a litre bottle and £8.50 for 250ml. The 250ml bottle has lasted for 3 grows...... Phat __________________ VOTE Phat

04-20-2005, 07:16 PM	#18 (permalink)
LaughinFit The Exception to the Rule Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,382 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Where do you guys get all your 32oz. cups? I mean I know it's from McDonalds, but do you just ask for a bunch of them? I would also think a container of the same size made of plastic with holes drilled in the bottom would retain moisture for the soil better, but I could be wrong. Phat that Rhizo stuff sounds awesome. The stems on your plants look thicker than they would normally be at their stage of growth/height. Good stuff, very robust. __________________ AMBITION makes me so horny... Well that's alright, I know your sister(s) too. -Led Zepplin I've been working building muscles, while Owny's just been standin' round, gettin soft. -Johny Cash If I seem free, it's because I'm always running. -Jimi Hendrix At least my penis doesn't spew blood all over my pants once a month. -Real Corona If im not having orgies within a week im gunna be pissed. -toasty lol maybe if you clench your ass cheeks and scream like the hulk? -Sir-Ex

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