Dandaweedman

I peruse other weed forums a fair bit,
and one thing I have always kinda laughed at is Chem vs. Orgasmic.

Until now.

"They" say you get better yields with chems.
"They" are convinced you get better taste with orgasmics.

OK, for me nuff said. Taste rules.

But do you get better yields with chems?

I am not an experienced grower, still a newbie.
I have done a few with chems for sure,
and I have a few strains on the go and almost done with orgasmics.
For my money, yield hasn't been a factor at all. Judging by pictures and logged data anyways.

And the fact that I busted a branch on lil karma and got a bongfull outta da deal
cements the fact that orgasmics rulez!

After a quick dry in the dryer, it was the best tasting weed I have smoked that way by far.
The clinical "hospital" taste is gone and the flavours are there.

OK and the high is OMFG! One huge hit and you are there, no kidding.
It was immature and only lasted about an hour...
But what an hour!

OK I got long winded, fire me.

But has anyone noticed a change in yield?
Anyone that has tried both that is.

Daniel

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thcbuz

the theory of getting better(bigger) yields from chemical salt fertilizers may be true.But better taste in my humble opinion comes hands down from orgasmic amendments.the facts to prove that are in the taste of vegetables raised on leaf clippings, composts,worm castings(anything that was alive and is or has composted practically)are the best tastes around.
I've been growing straight orgasmics for around 5 years and countless plants and I don't pay any attention to the chemical fertilizers.there's more organics for me to try out there yet also. I want to try alfalfa and molasses(mole asses?)and see how they affect yield and taste.those are things you've clued me too Dan. Thanks again,
'Buz

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blueoval420

Apparently its all about hydroponics !!!!
Hehe sorry to hijack your thread here but heres a really cool article on overgrow that does an organic vs hydroponic growing and just as a spoiler, the hydro wins...by a lot. BUt IM sure its all about constraints and enviormental factors but I dont know how you can compensate for 12 ounces difference!

Heres the Link

PS.. I still grow organically (sometimes) but purely for aesthetic reasons

Dandaweedman

Wouldn't that be medium vs. mediumless as opposed to organics?
You can use organics in water also

Daniel

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blueoval420

Well then maybe im confuzed Dunno why but I figured you were talking about using different feeding techniques (bat guano and worm castings vs liquid nutrients and chemicals) in a soil based medium. Sorry about the thread hijack

Dandaweedman

Don't sweat the jacking talk, any input is good input.

As far as I know, the only difference between Hydro organics and Siol/less based,
is the amount of trace and micro nutes, as the soil/less based is sposed to supply some.

Hydroponics is definitely faster than soil... individual plant mass?
I remain unconvinced of a difference if all other factors are the same.
One day I'll run the two systems side by each, maybe Jenna would like to try the H2O?

Daniel

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kiWikkid

I've only used organics. Because I like to eat organic food as well, its partly because of the "principle". Maybe I'm just being pretentious, organics are more expensive, but I do think the flavor is improved dramatically, and I've also noticed the ash from smoking chemically grown herb sometimes is darker which means there are chemical residues.

Im not sure about yields, it could be true, with some organics you might be missing valuable micro-nutrients, chem ferts cover more bases perhaps.

But I'll be sticking with the organics thanks.

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Dandaweedman

Coming from a grower of your caliber, that's a real ego boost
The mole asses is pretty good, I am not knowing about taste, but it lets me use my nutes better.

Daniel

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Dandaweedman

Good eye on the ash colour.
I had to flush my chems for 3 weeks to get it to burn grey.

Daniel

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Dandaweedman

Ummm wow?

Thanks Kosh, that was a great read and some excellent info.

Daniel

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Peace seeker

very informative post Kosh



i think chem ferts give big yeilds, but lack in "clean high", taste and aroma.


hydro buds do look perfect, but the buzz is loaded with paranoia and an uncomfortable feeling.

Same with super market (chem fed) veggies. They are huge with bright colors but no real taste or aroma.

Organic are smaller, not that great looking, dont last that long in the fridge, but they taste YUMMY

blueoval420

Wish I could have been one of those test subjects because Ive never really experienced anything like you guys describe with hydroponics. Not too sure if its just different people, experiences, or psycological differences but never have I ever experienced a "panic attack" or extremely parinoid high. Of course I havent been growing my own long enough to see my own effects, but a close friend has years of hydro experience and something to prove for it. From his results are what I am gauging my reaction to hydro, seeing that he did everything by the book it seems. Panic and anxiety attacks sound to me like they are dependant on the persons current view of life, relationship situations, and any other aspect of their lives that could have an influence on how they react to anything. This, of course if just my point of view and therfore I cannot vouch for millions of others who smoke hydroponically.

Sugar420

ok you guys, the fact is that the plants cant tell the difference between organic and chemical fertilizers. their tiny little root hairs can only take in nutrients that have been broken down into inorganic water soluable forms. when the plant absorbs some nitrogen atoms, it makes no difference to the plant if that nitrogen came from compost or a factory downtown

the goodness contained in decomposed organic material is only released by the action of micro-organisms that convert it into water soluable forms the plant can use. in this way there is a slow time-release effect, that reduces the danger of over feeding

the disadvantage is that if there is an immediate need for nutrients, organic fertilizer cannot supply them very quickly

the nutirents in 'chemical' ferts are immediately avalable to the plants, and the label on the bottle tells me the exact amount and proportion of nutrients and micronutrients and minerals, and gives more precision in meeting a plants nutritional needs.
on the other hand, faced with a big pile of compost or manure, the small time gardener like me has no way of knowing the nutritional content.

the profit driven grower will push right up to the limit of the plants ability to take in nutrients, but overly heavy applications of fertilizers can cause burning and build up toxic concentrations of salts, creating chemical imbalances, and crappy weed

ive grown some genetically identical plants in different soils, with organic and inorganic fertilizers, in my own organic compost, hydro with chemical ferts, ect...
all very unscientific, i was just trying out all different ways just for the sake of curiousity.

i think it all comes down to the amount of effort and expense put in vs. the weight and quality of the harvest. for me, the slightly sweeter taste of the compost grown buds does not make up for the slightly greater harvest and proven consistency of growing the vedaponic way

i try my best not to support the enemy and his babylon system, and i encourage all other growers to resist supporting the war on drugs and the babylon system as much as you can.

Peace seeker

here's a perfect example of organics vs chemicals. The large strawberries are chemically grown, bought from my local super market. Beautiful color and size but nothing special when it comes to taste and aroma.

The little one is grown in my garden with good soil and organic ferts.

I can tell you one thing though. The aroma and taste that the tiny strawberry has, cant be compared with any chemically-fed product

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