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Originally Posted by Waves
i took it to mean that he was claiming we have only been on this planet 3000 years. if thats not what he is claiming then my bad.
as for whether the old testament happened or not, i really doubt most of the stuff happened. like god destroying two entire cities and giants existing that young boys could go take slingshots and kill to save their tribe and stuff.
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well obviously...
but there is alot of the old testament that reads simply like a history book. there were a shit load of different civilizations in the middle east from 3k bc- 1 ad and they were all fucking killing each other and shit.
the old testament and other old documents are the only sources we have. obviously we take them with a grain of salt and we either prove or disprove whatever we can by cross reference them with other sources as well as ancient artifacts.
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Originally Posted by Waves
ted- i dont see our progress in terms of "threat presented- threat neutralized- threat presented- threat neutralized" and on and on until we get to the A bomb. i see it as a natural evolution of concepts and ideas. I dont think we are ever in an 'adaptive stasis' as we are constantly making new discoveries, constantly exploring and generating novelty in many areas not specifically limited to military progress. in fact i would say the military progress is a result of our technological progress, not the other way around. before we invented jet planes we invented hot air balloons.
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it has nothing to do with threat present and neutralized. it has to do with the fact that humans are like animals and like any animal they have a non-kin conflict of interest. every individual simply cares about his own genetic information. until you can have a weapon that allows you to easily kill an opponent without risk you have no reason whatsoever to communicate with non-kin because you are ultimately in competition for mates and resources. it is only until you have a weapon that can project co-ersive threat that you can set up an environment where humans work together for fear of being killed. would our society ever work if there werent police men with guns? quite frankly, NO.
im telling you , whether you agree or not, everything i said has been proven with strong fossil record evidence. after the atlatl was invented there was an adaptive stasis where humans were nothing but hunter gatherers for another hundred thousand years. then the bow was invented. then villages and city states rose. the idea of the nation didnt come around until about the period the gun was invented. is this a coincidence? .... people are always making advancements you are correct, but you are talking about a whole different ball game. you are talking about modern times, where we already have the system and society set in place. do you think people would be making advancements if there wasnt an extremely stable environment caused by the coersive threat that the police and military impose? no, it would be chaos. you would be more interested in fighting for your life, and you sure as hell wouldnt share your innovations with your neighbors because they would be your enemies
OK even further. think about pre-nuclear bombs. think about world war 1 and 2. quite literally the world was at war. do you think germany would share its information and inventions with the united states? do you think the united states would share its information with germany? hell no.
but what happened once the nuclear bomb was invented. war suddenly became a lot more dangerous. there was the cold war for a while , but eventually that crumbled. and now all countries for the most part freely exchange information and inventions. is it a coincidence that now we are just that much smarter and more innovative? no...
i dont think you can really argue with anything i just said.