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Originally Posted by reverie
Many animals who are non-kin of and not of the same species exist mutually without conflict. Elephants and birds, have a mutually understood and appreciated relationship with one another, one providing food and the other acting as an alert system. Dogs befriend other dogs upon meeting or even upon the introduction into the home environment. Both of these are not acts of sexual or reproductive concern.
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first off, both of those animals benefit from the symbiotic relationship. they evolved in a way where they tolerated each other simply because they both benefited. and they benefit in a way that makes them more reproductively successful, which made them evolve to accept the relationship. symbiosis has nothing to do with non-kin conflicts of interest because you arent in competition with another animals that is helping you. you are in competition with your own species for mates and resources :P
dogs are pack animals. they are social creatures by nature.
i dont know anything about wolves so i will go what i found off the first website that came up on google:
"A wolf pack is like a family unit, consisting of an adult pair and their mostly grown offspring. Members of the pack form strong social bonds that promote internal cohesion. Order is maintained by a dominance hierarchy."
the wolf pack is all the same family, hence they have some of the same genetic information and that is why they work together on a limited basis. they have large conflicts of interests with other wolve packs and even within the same pack they fight for dominance because even between brothers there is only about 50 percent genetic relatedness
domesticated dogs and cats for that matter are notably more docile creatures and thats why they can tolerate each other. even so, most dogs i know that are the same sex will not get along because they have non-kin conflict of interest. male and female dogs can get along because they need each other for sex, and when you have the same sex together they would be fighting for mates and dominance so they know whom should get the mate if one comes along.
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Originally Posted by Praise Jah
I appologise for the dope fiend remark, honest. But I fail to see why I should stop talking.
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apology accepted, we cool. im sorry i rude and in the future i will be more respectful
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Originally Posted by reverie
So yes, reproduction is an important goal..but it is not the sole purpose because there are other phenomenons in place that make or allow for the others to happen. Take a look at romantic interest now.. If one does not find the one they'd like to settle down with that may very well mean they will never have kids. So now instead of the goal being reproducing, the goal is finding a complimentary spouse to allow that to happen. Some individuals could even care less for children, ever. We are far evolved beyond the point of survivalistic interests, we are complex emotional beings who find meaning on a relative scale.
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this still boils down to the fact that humans have defeated non-kin conflicts of interests allowing brain expansion and more complicated thought...
yea you could subjectively think you have a different purpose in life, but that doesnt change the fact that for the past 5 billion years all of the life proccesses have built up to the creation of your body. did any of the same cells keep living? no... the only thing that gets passed on is genetic information. thousands if not millions or billions of your cells are dieing and being created every day by your body. do you think they givfe a fuck what their purpose is? no, they are just programmed by genetic information. dna replicates itself... its just what it does. the human is more complicated, and can think abstractly about things, but really all that does is to allow it to be more ecologically dominant and reproductively successful.
do you think peopel go around thinking to themselves "i need to reproduce!". No, they dont. but they live their lives and one day an attractive person of the opposite sex comes along and they unconciously start getting sweaty and "fall in love", which is a chemical reaction in the brain by the way. and they marry and they have kids and no coincidence when there children are born it is the "happiest day of their life". of course you could try and apply the open minded "higher thoughts" appraoch that everything is subjective and open to relative experiences but then why does science exist? the fact remains that there are six billion humans on the planet, so in light of the huge population explosion please continue to argue that a persons ultimate purpose is not to reproduce because apparently alot of people think that their purpose is to reproduce.