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Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

Hi,
this is an excellent question, and definitely one that crossed my mind when posting. On answer is that the non-vegetarian foods perpetuate disturbing karmas and incarnation. such foods also lower the consciousness level and disrupt the deep connection and serenity required for successful meditation, samadhi, and awakening.

to briefly explain why this is: although there is a definite natural aspect to non-vegetarian energy consumption and the various food chains and pyramids, the non-veg are to be considered as lower level. some beings may develop upon pure vegetarian lineages within multiple incarnations including animals or even insects...as well as humans. this is the science of subtle vibrations and energies.

considered as lower level by whom? it may interest you to know that i was for some time i was a krishna devotee, so i understand that this concept originates from ancient hindu tradition. but there are other traditions -- every bit as valid as those of the hindus -- which expressly dictate a diet including certain animals and excluding others.

my point here is that any tradition will seek to justify itself, and these justifications invariably deny the validity of belief in any other way.

Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

The pure intelligent energy and warmth of life comes to us through the sun. coming from the sun the energy has all pure and 'divine' or wholesome qualities. the essence of the source carries the subtle qualities of intelligence, gentleness, high-level consciousness and awareness, love, kindness, etc... that energy is used by various plants in the slow and miraculous processes of life to create various plants, algae, fruits, flowers, vegetables, etc. Like the harmony and nice subtle qualities of a field of plants or a tree, these types of foods contain the pure source energies in their original form. those souls who desire kindness, gentleness, purity, wholesomeness, and good health will consume these preferentially and benefit from their pure qualities to grow in health, pure consciousness, kindness, understanding, and nonviolent qualities.

that's a neat idea, but like any belief the idea is only worth whatever stock one puts in it. i could just as easily say that the earth is representative of material entanglement and that plants, which sprout from the earth, carry elements of low-level consciousness which is passed on to whoever eats them. thus i could argue that it's better to eat the animals which eat the plants -- or better yet, the animals which eat the animals which eat the plants -- because the base material energy siphoned from the earth has been expended somewhat in the animation of their body.

that's the thing about beliefs: we can take them to any conclusion you like. and that's perfectly fine. it only becomes a problem when we try to impose our conclusion on someone who has reached one of their own.

Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

Various kinds of beings consume the pure plant foods for their sustenance, and they get the pure energies to nourish their life within themselves. But when we try to take this life energy from other highly sentient, conscious beings like ourselves (animals etc), the pure life energy becomes polluted and distorted by the subtle essences of fear, pain, panic, struggle, and cruel death. there is a much different vibe on plant vs animal foods for this reason. People must undertake all sorts of cruel, cunning, vicious, and violent behaviors to eat them as well including imprisoning, capturing/trapping, killing/slaughtering, and others. Thus, consuming non-vegetarian foods draws these dark, unsettled subtle essences into ourselves as well as original life energy. These polluted energies affect our minds, perception, volition, consciousness, behavior, personalities, bodily health, karma, and our entire life path. this is the subtle science to diet, karma, and life.

i agree that industrialized meat harvesting is a terrible cruelty, but equating the act of eating meat with those atrocities is a bit short-sighted. for example, there are stories of native american shamans calling wild buffalo to lay before them to be killed to feed the tribe. would the life energy of such buffalo be likewise polluted, and would this pollution be passed on to those who eat? or would the whole process simply be indicative of the circle of life as understood by the native americans?

Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

The path of surviving on foods closely associated with all types of conscious willful cruelness, violence, and grotesque sensory experiences puts us into a different mode of life that is akin to a type of vampirism...rather than taking from the pure original source, we are taking in an improper way that will ultimately bring us suffering and experiences like those of our unfortunate victims. this causes beings to perpetually reincarnate in various carnivorous forms, and also in the forms that are consumed by carnivores. This is a karmic cycle with no obvious exit. As carnivores, negative energy builds due to cruel and vicious behavior and negatively charged energies; as victims, beings experience all types of frustration, struggle, anger, and desire to fight off their attackers...a downward spiral...this cycle of dark incarnation continues until at some point the soul, tired of strife and violence... makes a conscious decision to turn away from violence and cruelty...at which time conditions will gradually manifest where an alternate path or fortunate situation will arise providing the opportunity for transition.

i've already explained how victimization has no place in The One Great Family of Life.

Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

as humans we are fortunate to be able to contemplate these things and make a conscious decision toward the good, the light, kindness, gentleness, and nourishment that causes the least possible harm and suffering to other life forms. this path will benefit our health and all spiritual practices and qualities and lead to pure advanced worlds where the lower types of beings and activities are no longer present.

"least possible harm" is still harm. this is why i take harm completely out of the equation and denounce any sense of victimization. eating is part of survival in this realm. life begets life and life eats life. there is no harm, only a progression and unfoldment of energy. we are eating ourselves to sustain our own growth: this cannot be escaped no matter what diet one adopts. . . and the proper direction of that growth is to be determined by nothing other than the consciousness experiencing it.

Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

in conclusion, we should not be egoistic and claim violence and carnivorism as some intrinsic part of who we are. for all living beings dread cruelty, violence, fear, imprisonment, suffering etc. our true divine nature is one of kindness, gentleness, friendship, helping and consideration for all other life forms. in this mode of behavior, we are in harmony with the essence of the original source and will draw ourselves to higher forms and worlds of life where greater bliss, friendship, security, and happiness will be abundant. nor should we seek to imitate the beings in violent stages and phases of existence. this is just a natural stage of life that some--but not all--beings go through because there are infinite possibilities and many just have to go through the very hard and traumatic experiences to achieve true learning and understanding of gentleness, harmony, and nonviolence.

sorry know that was very long, but I hope that was informative and clarifies the full range of diverse considerations within the question.

i personally believe that as our energy evolves we will develop methods of sustenance which originate from the self. this is already the case actually, we just experience it differently because our conception of "self" is fragmented. but for now, eat and be eaten is the way of it and no one should be debased for their personal negotiation of it.

thanks for taking the time to illustrate your beliefs, i really appreciate it.