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Originally Posted by Mescalito

I agree that there is a lot of suffering but at the same time there are animals that don't suffer. And no I will not make that argument.. but what I will ask is.. does the average animal that will be consumed by humans suffer more than the average human?

Also.. what about those animals which have relatively free existences down on the farm with ample space to move around and good quality food..? I know this is probably a rarity.. but it is getting lesson uncommon again.

And finally.. if you knew there was little to no suffering for the animals.. would you then eat meat?

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I think you'd be hard pressed to find animals being raised for butchering who aren't in some sort of suffering.

Relativism in terms of suffering doesn't negate the inherent issue I have with making other creatures suffer for my expense. Yea, all humans suffer. And, frankly, if I was God, I'd cut that shit out as much as possible.
But just because I suffer doesn't mean I want to make other creatures suffer too. I know what suffering is (being human), so why would I wish that on any other sentient beings?

As far as animals on a farm with ample space and good food, yea, that's a rarity. And while this takes away the cruelty argument (except for the actual slaughtering), it still doesn't change the environmental damage, land usage, and food usage needed to raise livestock.

If I knew there was little to no suffering for animals would I eat meat? No. Eating meat, besides being borne out of suffering and torture, is the dietary equivalent of driving an H3 hummer. It's wasteful in a world that can't continue to waste.

But outlawing hummers is wrong, so forcing you to be a veggie is too.