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Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Even though I feel that this response is not worthy of a response from me, as soon as time permits I'll demonstrate just how unworthy it is.

How about mine, then?

First, before we go through the facts you brought up, we have a consideration to make. That is that this whole line of reasoning is in relation to a certain definition of God, a certain definition of Jesus, and a certain defined relationship and interaction between the two. This narrows it's scope considerably to only those who hold those definitions. To say that it debunks Christianity is then inaccurate.

Basically, the characteristics of one's belief in Christianity is completely subjective. Thus the great variations in interpretations of the Bible, so on and so forth. This line of argument is only valid if we are to deny it it's subjective nature and form "hard" definitions. We then blanket all Christians with these definitions which is fallacious.

So on to the "facts." I hate that word...

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Fact: Everything we know about Jesus is hearsay

Did Jesus Exist -- The Probing Mind <- Interesting read. Yes, basically everything we know about Jesus is hearsay. Nit-picking this doesn't really serve a purpose.

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Fact: Jesus didn't exhibit any knowledge of the natural world

This one I dunno. I don't think you can say that anyone doesn't exhibit some knowledge of the natural world. It's too general a remark. This is also where we begin to assume that Jesus was able to make available to him certain kinds of specific knowledge.

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Fact: Outside of his inner circle, practically no one else who came in contact with him believed Jesus was the son of God. And to this day, Hindis, Muslims and Budhists still don't believe Jesus was the son of God.

Cannot be said to be fact. To follow up "Fact: Everything we know about Jesus is hearsay" with this is not really logically consistent. If the very existence of Jesus himself is suspect, then how can we possibly begin to determine if people who came in contact with him believed he was the son of God. We can't say that it is fact that these equally "possible" people who came in contact with him didn't believe him. If we give historical credibility with the people that came in contact with him and their interaction with him, we subsequently give historical credibility to the existence of Jesus. Thus it cancels out your first fact if it is indeed fact.

Also, Islam accepts Jesus as a prophet. Take that as you will. It isn't "the son of God" in a sense.

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Fact: The Christian god would have to cast judgment on people at the rate of almost two people per second

This presumes that the Christian God would be bound by physical law. Really, the Christian God in as far as I know all definitions/interpretations is the creator of time thus necessitating God to be beyond time. Our calculations of a rate of judgment really serve no purpose as they are inapplicable. Interesting thought though nonetheless. Lol.

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Fact: The Christian god cannot make himself visible in the here and now, in realtime, for everyone's eyes to see

This starts defining God very specifically. It could be said God has made "himself visible in the here and now, in realtime, for everyone's eyes to see" as he IS in essence the here and now, the realtime, everything everyone's eyes see. So it's completely relative to definition. It can't be called fact.

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Fact: The only evidence for the Christian god is supposedly some people who thousands of years ago supposedly heard a voice.

Same applies as above. It also presumes an individual's "evidence" or "reason" for believing such a God and reduces it to the expressions of these voice-hearing people.

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Fact: People who came in contact with Jesus weren't overwhelmed with awe.

Refer to fact #2.

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Fact: Over 200,000 people were killed by the sunami of 2004 and then sent on to hell.

This one doesn't need explaining, yes?

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Have the detractors finally realized the futility of their efforts and finally decided to throw in the towel? Looks like there's only one thing left for you to do - come over to the Atheist side!

Ah Atheism... If only there were a world so black and white.