Just going to double post, stoned and lazy right now.
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Originally Posted by citizen abuse
It needs to be pointed out what the extent of your argument is:
1) It's illogical and invalid to ask whether Jesus ever exhibited any knowledge besides what the Christians say he did.
2) It's equally illogical and invalid to ask whether Jesus ever exhibited any knowledge of the natural world that other people of his time didn't know despite the fact that he was supposedly one in the same with the being who created the natural world.
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It'd be speculation, speculation can be logical. Validity is another matter, but I don't know how a question can be invalid. Haven't really heard someone say "that's a wrong question!" I'm saying question of course because you're talking about asking.
Also, a lot of what's been directed towards you hasn't been a counter argument so much as pointing out logical inconsistencies within your reasoning. Inconsistencies which you tend to avoid more than address and reconcile.
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Originally Posted by citizen abuse
The only thing I have to say to that is I hope that both you and JcP really believe that. In fact, I sincerely hope that you and JcP never stop believing that!
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I can't speak for the two of them but from what I've gathered their beliefs aren't really "grounded" or centered around any one particular religion. I have to say that I would define myself as the same. Again, they just seem to see similar inconsistencies and illogical steps that I do. I dunno really how many more ways this can be reiterated.