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Originally Posted by citizen abuse
1. I don't know what planet you've been living on, but there's no question that Christians are the biggest railers against gays and the other things you quoted as well, at least in the United States anyway.
2. Then what are Christians implying when they continuosly remind us in the United States that this country was founded by Christians? Secondly, there's no question that Christians try to intimidate political candidates. I think you're clearly in denial.
3. The claims made about Jesus are too grandiose to be believed strictly on hearsay.
4. People either keep missing the point here or are deliberately misinterpreting it. The term "natural world" is an all encompassing term. The author only gives a couple of examples. But the point is why didn't Jesus know at least something about the natural world that ordinary people of his time didn't?
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I'll address these one at a time. This will be relatively easy because I think you misinterpreted a few things and either didn't read or forgot a few things I said.
1. I agree that Christians are the biggest "railers" against gays etc., but saying it's fact that they are always" is wrong. This would be a universal statement which is almost always extremely dangerous to use in debate. Christians set a bad example for Christianity. Doctrine points this out, as nobody is perfect and neither are our churches. I believe in Jesus, but I'm heavily put off by organized religion. Most only support their cause and fail to live up to what Jesus stood for. There are no perfect Christians, this is important to understand. My biggest problem with the authors argument is he is approaching the behavior of Christians not Christianity.
2. I don't disagree that politicians get intimidated by Christians but again, is Jesus intimidating people? Politics wouldn't have mattered to Jesus, but SOME Christians misrepresent Christianity in there political action. Also, when you and the author use "most" or "all" or "always" I think you are only looking at the soar thumb that sticks out and then generalizing and assuming. Like, all black people are good at basketball... most black people cannot play at all and most of the ones in Africa haven't heard of such sport. However in your culture the media throws one thing in your face and it sticks out. I'm not in denial, it seems as if you've just seen the bad side of things.
3. I don't know where you were going with this. I'm guessing you were confusing the authors points and my points, or just didn't expand enough for me to understand your point, sorry. If you rephrase it I would love to address it.
4. What evidence supports that Jesus didn't know about the natural world? I addressed these issues in my writing, so you should refer back to my original post. Just because he didn't address certain issues doesn't mean he didn't know about them. His teachings were focused on things bigger than the shape of the earth (which the bible mentions is spherical by the way, the bible also mentions that light travels and this is while people believed it was fixed). But we'll pretend like I didn't say that because it might piss people off, knowing that the bible addressed some core scientific issues and all. Please refer back to the original post, I addressed this question.