Schizophrenia anyone?

Smak · 03-17-2003, 06:26 AM

I am not starting a fight, but habitual use of Cannabis can lead to depression and, in the worst cases, schizophrenia. Anybody ever get pissed off if they ran out of weed and needed (sorry - wanted) more? The first joint of the day make you breath a happy sigh as if to say "thats better"?
I know weed is fun, I used to do it everyday, and I can't remember the last two years. I appreciate that it does have medicinal merit, and I support the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes. It just worries and kinda pisses me off when I hear people spouting on about how it is not addictive and completely safe, because that is bullshit.
Possibly the most ridiculous pro hemp propaganda is the well known line that smoking marijauna is not harmful because it is only a plant. Cocaine is a plant. Heroin is a plant. Some of the most dangerous substances on the planet come from plants.

**Administrator** · 03-17-2003, 07:59 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Smak:
I am not starting a fight, but habitual use of Cannabis can lead to depression and, in the worst cases, schizophrenia..<hr></blockquote>

Schizophrenia is a brain disease, in exactly the same sense that Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, and multiple sclerosis are brain diseases. ( <a href="http://www.schizophrenia.co m/" target="_blank">http ://www.schizophrenia.co m/</a> ) Not caused by cannabis.
The causes of depression are pretty much unknown, except that they know serotonin is involved. I think people with depression use cannabis to try to make themselves feel better, and it does help, although it may be better for them to go to a doctor, get counseling and get on an anti-depressant.

[quote] It just worries and kinda pisses me off when I hear people spouting on about how it is not addictive and completely safe, because that is bullshit.
Possibly the most ridiculous pro hemp propaganda is the well known line that smoking marijauna is not harmful because it is only a plant. Cocaine is a plant. Heroin is a plant. Some of the most dangerous substances on the planet come from plants.<hr></blockquote>

Cannabis is not physically addictive, that doesn't mean it's not psychologically additive. Some people have addictive tendancies and can easily get addicted to anything from nicotine to heroin to gambling to sugar.

A reason people say it's "just a plant" is because cannabis requires no processing in order to injest it. Pretty much pick it off the plant and there ya go. Other harder drugs have been processed, altered, synthesized by people till they are no longer "natural" I think cocaine can be dangerously addictive, but perhaps back in the day when people used to just chew the coca leaves it probably wasn't as much of a problem.

There's more facts i could add, but perhaps i could suggest doing a bit of research and reading on cannabis, from reputable resources (i.e. not government related, not DARE )

jonesy · 03-17-2003, 11:43 AM

I agree fully.

It does not *cause* schizophrenia, but does make it worse for people have schizo tendencies. Both sides, the pro and anti cannabis, have there wrong and right points; alot of what the goverment says is true.

I resent anyone who says something isnt natural, everything is natural

Is honey not natural because the bees had to process and alter the pollen? bullshit.

germination · 03-17-2003, 07:55 PM

Marijuana is like women. Cant live with them, cant live without em. I need to get laid.

koshiva · 03-20-2003, 08:57 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Smak:
I am not starting a fight, but habitual use of Cannabis can lead to depression and, in the worst cases, schizophrenia. Anybody ever get pissed off if they ran out of weed and needed (sorry - wanted) more? The first joint of the day make you breath a happy sigh as if to say "thats better"?
I know weed is fun, I used to do it everyday, and I can't remember the last two years. I appreciate that it does have medicinal merit, and I support the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes. It just worries and kinda pisses me off when I hear people spouting on about how it is not addictive and completely safe, because that is bullshit.
Possibly the most ridiculous pro hemp propaganda is the well known line that smoking marijauna is not harmful because it is only a plant. Cocaine is a plant. Heroin is a plant. Some of the most dangerous substances on the planet come from plants.<hr></blockquote>

Extreme use of cannabis could potentiate depression for some people, as could extreme alcohol consumption,exstacy, or even coffee,and many other things, even listening to dark music for long enough,or being around depressing things, but to say just because someone smokes cannabis, they are more likely to get depressed or become skitizophrenic is ludicrous. The state of someones mind is a product of so many many things...to make a cassual link and focus on one aspect of a persons life as a signifigant contributer to a particular state of mind is quite irresponsible,especi ally when these suggestions come from the medical community who really should have the intelligence to avoid such narrow mind conclusions, especially regarding the human mind which is far from understood.

It is most probable, that skitzophrenics, would be more likely to smoke cannabis and thus such a conclusion could easily be made by the naieve,that they are that way because they smoked cannabis.

Recent studies have indicated, that 85% of skitzophrenics smoke tobacco. What this would suggest, is that they unconciously seek a chemical(nicotine) as a means of adjusting their brain chemistry in a favourable way. Sort of like we often crave the food the body requires. It has been found, that the nicotine in fact stimulates the area of the brain which is defficient in skitzoprenics.

It would be interesting if rates of tobacco smoking having any coorelation to mental illness levels in some countries. I heard suicide is quite high in Sweden and also that they have a very draconian anti tobacco regime.

Marijuana is not physically addictive, unlike opiates,alcohol and many other drugs. But, if used frequently enough, of course a 'psycological habit' could eventuate, just like if you wake up each day and drink coffee, and one day you don't, you may miss it...but don't start writhing on the floor from withdrawal.

Some people claim marijauna is 100% safe. I agree this is completly untrue. Nothing in life is without risk. But without a doubt, smoking pot in moderation is safer than mountain climbing,driving your car, or crossing the road...and many many times safer than tobacco or alcohol, all things considered.

Mostly, it is all a question of frequency of use in conjunction with a particular individuals brain chemistry as to the levels of marijauna which would be beneficial to them verse deleterious. All things in moderation.

On the other hand, I myself use cannabis for depression. Having tried many conventional medications over many years, and having found that none worked, or had nasty side effects, I found, cannabis was the best option...and cheapest aswell...free.

If I wanted to, I could smoke all day every day...for pennies, yet, a standard dose, once or twice per day alleviates the symtoms to a marked degree with no desire what so ever to use more...unlike actual addictive drugs, in which tollerance to them dictates useing higher and higher doses to get the same effect. With many conventional medicines or anti depressants, most often, as time passes, they're effectiveness diminishes(if they do work) and then you need to take more...which means even more side effects and potencial addiction.

Now depression is a very general term,and comes in a variety of forms...marijuana would not be good for some people regarding that...just like some people need different medications for a particular condition. But if you searched and then found a key to a lock in your mind, surely only you know whats best.

And without a doubt, cannabis can pose problems for some people, excessive use, just like anything...but mostly, these people are few and far between, most adults can practice restraint or dicipline...not every one drinks to get drunk.

The war on drugs...in so many forms, leads to all manner of misery in society, the likes of which most people have not a comprehension. Labelled, ostracised, incarcerated...lives ruined...executions. ..corruption...every manner of that which is evil...so considering that...I think we all know what is most harmful, not marijuana, but the prohibition of it.

Its fantastic, that is the Netherlands where marijauna is freely availible, that use there is much lower than in the USA for example where a hard line policy, has resulted in many human cagings.

What is it to be put in a cage for a plant? How much depression and skitzophrenia might that exacerabate or create? Broken families...whole generations of messed up people...suicides... anger, hostility...paranoia ...and on and on and on.

And cocaine is not a plant, nor is heroin. Poppies are plants, and so is coca...which, like all plants created by god, should not be persecuted in their own right...imagine, trying to destroy entire cultures in persuit of the war on drugs? As if that fosters some sort of social progress.

The reason for all this distortion about all drugs, is via the USA, which in conjunction with the UN have decided to make illegal everything which is against there idea of what the world is and should be...to play god himself. Its a very very audacious, repressive, dogmatic ideological process of supressing anything but the worst drugs of all, alcohol,tobacco...an d pharmaceutical medicines most of which people don't need.

Now with the war with Iraq, the USA hasn't gotten their own way,with the UN, so they will just go ahead and do as they please any way...thats democracy for you. See the USA practically controlled the UN, and for the other countries to say no to war, the USA just said 'fuck you' we are the UN...see, they're capacity to pay for votes had gone down. So, in time, the war on drugs, in turn, may also be an issue of contention...and it is...some are now recognising that a central authority can be very much an impediment when cultural values and standards are secondary to central policy.

Propoganda predominates, but in time...people are seeing the light...and one day, cultures which have grown cannabis for centuries, may once again have more control over their own destinies...western thought is but one theme in the world, let us allow other aspects of humanity...such as hemp for cloths, or coca, or khat, or even poppies/opium.

Because...the illegality of cannabis, is a social disater...of a magnitude just starting to be recognised. Its a major healing herb...for glaucoma, depression,MS,cancer victims,head aches...and many many other wonderful properties of such an innocent plant...we will free her,

Free the herb

koshiva · 03-20-2003, 08:59 AM

Oh yeah Smak, if you smoked every day and couldn't remember the last two years, I strongly suggest you never smoke again, thats a serious side effect and should be cause for concern.

Free the herb

jonesy · 03-20-2003, 12:42 PM

ANSWER MY QUESTION?

ITS HONEY NOT NATURAL CAUSE BEES PROCESSED POLLEN TO MAKE IT?

Doghouse · 03-20-2003, 01:14 PM

kosh that was quite the essay.

cannabis doesn't cause schizophrenia, i don't think. it can trigger it, but so can countless other things, like stress, trauma, alcohol, any other drug, etc.

ZenSkin · 03-20-2003, 01:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by kosh:

Recent studies have indicated, that 85% of skitzophrenics smoke tobacco. What this would suggest, is that they unconciously seek a chemical(nicotine) as a means of adjusting their brain chemistry in a favourable way. Sort of like we often crave the food the body requires. It has been found, that the nicotine in fact stimulates the area of the brain which is defficient in skitzoprenics.
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The relief of nicotine cravings releases seratonin -- it is no wonder schizophrenics smoke. Ditto for many people with less serious disorders. I have an anxiety disorder. Smoking marijuana does not really effect it one way or another -- though I have to be vigilant about smoking when I am relaxed and not stressed or I get very anxious. I also have to be vigilant about taking care of myself in general .. something I am not great at. But I have to agree with you that marijuana -- while not nearly as dangerous as alchahol, tobacco, speed, crank, heroin, pain pills, cocaine, skiing, sex without protection, driving, amyl nitrate, skydiving, rap concerts, etc etc etc -- has its risks. Some people just do not react to it well -- like some people can't drink milk without feeling ill. So, if in doubt, leave it alone.

Why do people get so thorny over this?

Hotknife · 04-02-2003, 08:11 AM

Its funny I was watching a documentary on TV last night about cannabis causing mental illness. Basically it said, long periods of cannabis use can affect your brain, to much smoking can sometimes make you get paranoid, well its caused by chemicals reacting in your brain, (no shit) but dope is meant to trigger these chemicals, so as you can see, long usage of the drug, may affect the brain. I actually believe its true, I think anything you take for a prolonged time will affect you, Its life, no doubt, ecstasy, lsd, cocaine, Alcohol, even fucking coffee, (although don’t quote me on that), will affect your brain in time, the question is, put it in perspective, and its just harsh medical facts which scientists tell us every so often to scare people, its nothing to worry about as far as im concerned, I smoke generally at night to help me sleep, I feel refreshed in the mornings and it aids my peace of mind, I couldn’t smoke all day, although I did through college years, but learned it was a drug you have to take in the right circumstances, and that’s what its about, smoking for pleasure rather than relief.

moonchild · 04-22-2003, 07:04 PM

thnx, really interesting about schizophrenia and cigarettes. 85% hey?
i think lots of dope smoking can trigger latent schizophrenia, under the right (or wrong) conditions of psych. stress etc. there are so many variables that there is never any hard or fast rules about anything. thank the lord. it's more complex and vibrant and interesting than that.WE are more complex than that, so no formula will fit anyone. but i worry that theis generation, brought up on t.v., computer games, special effects, fast food,then add dope to the formula:...maybe they will be very alienated; maybe there will be lots more mental illness as a result of this combo.any thoughts?
also when mj becomes legal and accepted; the marketing will kick in. dope candies for children, like the alcopops. worrying. i don't think the future's going to be groovy.

Captain_Koons · 04-22-2003, 09:06 PM

Well honey is natural because they don't use chemicals. I mean chemicals like ammonia, or sulfiric acid. When it comes down to it, everything is natural since we got it all from earth, but what really natural stuff is simply from the earth without much altering or changing. There is a huge difference with a bee mixing necter and pollen (I think) than some guy melting a rock and welding its cooled form to some specially treated petroleum. (A knife with a plastic handle)

Dr. Jonez · 09-03-2006, 06:26 PM

Hi id like to say marijuana doens't cause skitzophrenia... first of all skitphrenia is caused by holes or cracks in the audio and visual department of your brain.. Whazt happens is when you get high anyway... the special stuff seeps into those holes causeing you to hear or see things.... its likely caused by climidia or ghonorea... get checked out... moreso than acid... get checked this shit is passible by mouth and is the most commong thing... good luck.. maybee the shit will heal.. else they do have good meds out....

osirus2020 · 09-03-2006, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smak

I am not starting a fight, but habitual use of Cannabis can lead to depression and, in the worst cases, schizophrenia. Anybody ever get pissed off if they ran out of weed and needed (sorry - wanted) more? The first joint of the day make you breath a happy sigh as if to say "thats better"?
I know weed is fun, I used to do it everyday, and I can't remember the last two years. I appreciate that it does have medicinal merit, and I support the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes. It just worries and kinda pisses me off when I hear people spouting on about how it is not addictive and completely safe, because that is bullshit.
Possibly the most ridiculous pro hemp propaganda is the well known line that smoking marijauna is not harmful because it is only a plant. Cocaine is a plant. Heroin is a plant. Some of the most dangerous substances on the planet come from plants.

wtf are you talking about nigga?

Dr. Jonez · 09-03-2006, 06:41 PM

when weed becomes legal.... less people will be passing stds by mouth in any case.... wheter you hear shit or not.... only moorons can say otherwise...

roll · 09-04-2006, 09:26 PM

marijuana acting on dopamine levels is very likely to cause psychosis, schizophrenia like symptomatology and depression. actually i cant think of a drug that doesn't act per dopamine levels. barbiturates may act on serotonin levels but that doesn't means depression is not likely. the war on drugs is bs. but i wouldn't put drugs upon somebody that i know, because i know they wouldnt need it. the marijuana experience and the addiction experience are very different. the fact that the war on drugs is bs does not rest significance to the eventual studies on drugaddiction and its impact on physical health.

wiseco · 09-04-2006, 09:45 PM

Wtf is with noobs and bringing old fuckin posts up?

Dr. Jonez · 09-07-2006, 09:19 PM

Basically skitzophrenia is not caused by low dopamine levels... its caused by holes where the dope leaks out.. people have low dope and not be skitzo......
the medication they give does not cure skitzo but merely helps with the side efects... Weed is fine if your on the medication.... Some weed is good for skitzoness like pure indica plants like northern lights...

There are 2 differnet kinds of weed.. The Kind you smoke and want more... like the cheap shit. people sell alot ov... and stuff like northern lights.. you can smoke and be completely satisfied with high dope levels...

I think the problem is painfully obvios....

roll · 09-08-2006, 09:37 AM

you mean holes like the ones caused by mdmda?- what do you mean by holes
there are lots of kind of schizphrenia. and mj is known to cause amnesia, like a narcotic. it's like an exageration but is true. so far i'v only known one kind of mj the one when you want more. of course you'r satisfied but you still will want more the next day or whatsoever.

03-17-2003, 06:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
Smak YaHookan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Stirling Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Schizophrenia anyone? I am not starting a fight, but habitual use of Cannabis can lead to depression and, in the worst cases, schizophrenia. Anybody ever get pissed off if they ran out of weed and needed (sorry - wanted) more? The first joint of the day make you breath a happy sigh as if to say "thats better"? I know weed is fun, I used to do it everyday, and I can't remember the last two years. I appreciate that it does have medicinal merit, and I support the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes. It just worries and kinda pisses me off when I hear people spouting on about how it is not addictive and completely safe, because that is bullshit. Possibly the most ridiculous pro hemp propaganda is the well known line that smoking marijauna is not harmful because it is only a plant. Cocaine is a plant. Heroin is a plant. Some of the most dangerous substances on the planet come from plants. __________________ Nobody dies nowadays of fatal truths; there are too many antidotes for them. (Friedrich Nietzsche)

03-17-2003, 07:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Administrator Administrator Join Date: Dec 1998 Location: YaHookaville Posts: 1,005 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Smak: <strong>I am not starting a fight, but habitual use of Cannabis can lead to depression and, in the worst cases, schizophrenia..</strong><hr></blockquote> Schizophrenia is a brain disease, in exactly the same sense that Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, and multiple sclerosis are brain diseases. ( <a href="http://www.schizophrenia.co m/" target="_blank">http ://www.schizophrenia.co m/</a> ) Not caused by cannabis. The causes of depression are pretty much unknown, except that they know serotonin is involved. I think people with depression use cannabis to try to make themselves feel better, and it does help, although it may be better for them to go to a doctor, get counseling and get on an anti-depressant. [quote]<strong> It just worries and kinda pisses me off when I hear people spouting on about how it is not addictive and completely safe, because that is bullshit. Possibly the most ridiculous pro hemp propaganda is the well known line that smoking marijauna is not harmful because it is only a plant. Cocaine is a plant. Heroin is a plant. Some of the most dangerous substances on the planet come from plants.</strong><hr></blockquote> Cannabis is not physically addictive, that doesn't mean it's not psychologically additive. Some people have addictive tendancies and can easily get addicted to anything from nicotine to heroin to gambling to sugar. A reason people say it's "just a plant" is because cannabis requires no processing in order to injest it. Pretty much pick it off the plant and there ya go. Other harder drugs have been processed, altered, synthesized by people till they are no longer "natural" I think cocaine can be dangerously addictive, but perhaps back in the day when people used to just chew the coca leaves it probably wasn't as much of a problem. There's more facts i could add, but perhaps i could suggest doing a bit of research and reading on cannabis, from reputable resources (i.e. not government related, not DARE )

03-17-2003, 11:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
jonesy Old School Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,371 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I agree fully. It does not cause schizophrenia, but does make it worse for people have schizo tendencies. Both sides, the pro and anti cannabis, have there wrong and right points; alot of what the goverment says is true. I resent anyone who says something isnt natural, everything is natural Is honey not natural because the bees had to process and alter the pollen? bullshit. __________________ If you are holding onto a rising balloon you are presented with a difficult political decission - let go while you've still got the chance or hold onto the rope and continue getting higher. That's politics man.

03-20-2003, 08:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
koshiva . Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 6,907 Thanks: 3 Thanked 72 Times in 58 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Smak: <strong>I am not starting a fight, but habitual use of Cannabis can lead to depression and, in the worst cases, schizophrenia. Anybody ever get pissed off if they ran out of weed and needed (sorry - wanted) more? The first joint of the day make you breath a happy sigh as if to say "thats better"? I know weed is fun, I used to do it everyday, and I can't remember the last two years. I appreciate that it does have medicinal merit, and I support the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes. It just worries and kinda pisses me off when I hear people spouting on about how it is not addictive and completely safe, because that is bullshit. Possibly the most ridiculous pro hemp propaganda is the well known line that smoking marijauna is not harmful because it is only a plant. Cocaine is a plant. Heroin is a plant. Some of the most dangerous substances on the planet come from plants.</strong><hr></blockquote> Extreme use of cannabis could potentiate depression for some people, as could extreme alcohol consumption,exstacy, or even coffee,and many other things, even listening to dark music for long enough,or being around depressing things, but to say just because someone smokes cannabis, they are more likely to get depressed or become skitizophrenic is ludicrous. The state of someones mind is a product of so many many things...to make a cassual link and focus on one aspect of a persons life as a signifigant contributer to a particular state of mind is quite irresponsible,especi ally when these suggestions come from the medical community who really should have the intelligence to avoid such narrow mind conclusions, especially regarding the human mind which is far from understood. It is most probable, that skitzophrenics, would be more likely to smoke cannabis and thus such a conclusion could easily be made by the naieve,that they are that way because they smoked cannabis. Recent studies have indicated, that 85% of skitzophrenics smoke tobacco. What this would suggest, is that they unconciously seek a chemical(nicotine) as a means of adjusting their brain chemistry in a favourable way. Sort of like we often crave the food the body requires. It has been found, that the nicotine in fact stimulates the area of the brain which is defficient in skitzoprenics. It would be interesting if rates of tobacco smoking having any coorelation to mental illness levels in some countries. I heard suicide is quite high in Sweden and also that they have a very draconian anti tobacco regime. Marijuana is not physically addictive, unlike opiates,alcohol and many other drugs. But, if used frequently enough, of course a 'psycological habit' could eventuate, just like if you wake up each day and drink coffee, and one day you don't, you may miss it...but don't start writhing on the floor from withdrawal. Some people claim marijauna is 100% safe. I agree this is completly untrue. Nothing in life is without risk. But without a doubt, smoking pot in moderation is safer than mountain climbing,driving your car, or crossing the road...and many many times safer than tobacco or alcohol, all things considered. Mostly, it is all a question of frequency of use in conjunction with a particular individuals brain chemistry as to the levels of marijauna which would be beneficial to them verse deleterious. All things in moderation. On the other hand, I myself use cannabis for depression. Having tried many conventional medications over many years, and having found that none worked, or had nasty side effects, I found, cannabis was the best option...and cheapest aswell...free. If I wanted to, I could smoke all day every day...for pennies, yet, a standard dose, once or twice per day alleviates the symtoms to a marked degree with no desire what so ever to use more...unlike actual addictive drugs, in which tollerance to them dictates useing higher and higher doses to get the same effect. With many conventional medicines or anti depressants, most often, as time passes, they're effectiveness diminishes(if they do work) and then you need to take more...which means even more side effects and potencial addiction. Now depression is a very general term,and comes in a variety of forms...marijuana would not be good for some people regarding that...just like some people need different medications for a particular condition. But if you searched and then found a key to a lock in your mind, surely only you know whats best. And without a doubt, cannabis can pose problems for some people, excessive use, just like anything...but mostly, these people are few and far between, most adults can practice restraint or dicipline...not every one drinks to get drunk. The war on drugs...in so many forms, leads to all manner of misery in society, the likes of which most people have not a comprehension. Labelled, ostracised, incarcerated...lives ruined...executions. ..corruption...every manner of that which is evil...so considering that...I think we all know what is most harmful, not marijuana, but the prohibition of it. Its fantastic, that is the Netherlands where marijauna is freely availible, that use there is much lower than in the USA for example where a hard line policy, has resulted in many human cagings. What is it to be put in a cage for a plant? How much depression and skitzophrenia might that exacerabate or create? Broken families...whole generations of messed up people...suicides... anger, hostility...paranoia ...and on and on and on. And cocaine is not a plant, nor is heroin. Poppies are plants, and so is coca...which, like all plants created by god, should not be persecuted in their own right...imagine, trying to destroy entire cultures in persuit of the war on drugs? As if that fosters some sort of social progress. The reason for all this distortion about all drugs, is via the USA, which in conjunction with the UN have decided to make illegal everything which is against there idea of what the world is and should be...to play god himself. Its a very very audacious, repressive, dogmatic ideological process of supressing anything but the worst drugs of all, alcohol,tobacco...an d pharmaceutical medicines most of which people don't need. Now with the war with Iraq, the USA hasn't gotten their own way,with the UN, so they will just go ahead and do as they please any way...thats democracy for you. See the USA practically controlled the UN, and for the other countries to say no to war, the USA just said 'fuck you' we are the UN...see, they're capacity to pay for votes had gone down. So, in time, the war on drugs, in turn, may also be an issue of contention...and it is...some are now recognising that a central authority can be very much an impediment when cultural values and standards are secondary to central policy. Propoganda predominates, but in time...people are seeing the light...and one day, cultures which have grown cannabis for centuries, may once again have more control over their own destinies...western thought is but one theme in the world, let us allow other aspects of humanity...such as hemp for cloths, or coca, or khat, or even poppies/opium. Because...the illegality of cannabis, is a social disater...of a magnitude just starting to be recognised. Its a major healing herb...for glaucoma, depression,MS,cancer victims,head aches...and many many other wonderful properties of such an innocent plant...we will free her, Free the herb

03-20-2003, 08:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
koshiva . Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 6,907 Thanks: 3 Thanked 72 Times in 58 Posts	Oh yeah Smak, if you smoked every day and couldn't remember the last two years, I strongly suggest you never smoke again, thats a serious side effect and should be cause for concern. Free the herb __________________ RIP GOV

03-17-2003, 07:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
germination germinator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sin City Posts: 767 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Marijuana is like women. Cant live with them, cant live without em. I need to get laid.

03-20-2003, 12:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
jonesy Old School Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,371 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ANSWER MY QUESTION? ITS HONEY NOT NATURAL CAUSE BEES PROCESSED POLLEN TO MAKE IT? __________________ If you are holding onto a rising balloon you are presented with a difficult political decission - let go while you've still got the chance or hold onto the rope and continue getting higher. That's politics man.

03-20-2003, 01:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
Doghouse aaaauugh yea Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: colorado Posts: 450 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	kosh that was quite the essay. cannabis doesn't cause schizophrenia, i don't think. it can trigger it, but so can countless other things, like stress, trauma, alcohol, any other drug, etc. __________________ "I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you take a look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth." -Bill Hicks

03-20-2003, 01:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
ZenSkin Admin Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 3,528 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by kosh: <strong> Recent studies have indicated, that 85% of skitzophrenics smoke tobacco. What this would suggest, is that they unconciously seek a chemical(nicotine) as a means of adjusting their brain chemistry in a favourable way. Sort of like we often crave the food the body requires. It has been found, that the nicotine in fact stimulates the area of the brain which is defficient in skitzoprenics. </strong><hr></blockquote> The relief of nicotine cravings releases seratonin -- it is no wonder schizophrenics smoke. Ditto for many people with less serious disorders. I have an anxiety disorder. Smoking marijuana does not really effect it one way or another -- though I have to be vigilant about smoking when I am relaxed and not stressed or I get very anxious. I also have to be vigilant about taking care of myself in general .. something I am not great at. But I have to agree with you that marijuana -- while not nearly as dangerous as alchahol, tobacco, speed, crank, heroin, pain pills, cocaine, skiing, sex without protection, driving, amyl nitrate, skydiving, rap concerts, etc etc etc -- has its risks. Some people just do not react to it well -- like some people can't drink milk without feeling ill. So, if in doubt, leave it alone. Why do people get so thorny over this? __________________ Honk if you don't exist

04-02-2003, 08:11 AM	#10 (permalink)
Hotknife Old School Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: England Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Its funny I was watching a documentary on TV last night about cannabis causing mental illness. Basically it said, long periods of cannabis use can affect your brain, to much smoking can sometimes make you get paranoid, well its caused by chemicals reacting in your brain, (no shit) but dope is meant to trigger these chemicals, so as you can see, long usage of the drug, may affect the brain. I actually believe its true, I think anything you take for a prolonged time will affect you, Its life, no doubt, ecstasy, lsd, cocaine, Alcohol, even fucking coffee, (although don’t quote me on that), will affect your brain in time, the question is, put it in perspective, and its just harsh medical facts which scientists tell us every so often to scare people, its nothing to worry about as far as im concerned, I smoke generally at night to help me sleep, I feel refreshed in the mornings and it aids my peace of mind, I couldn’t smoke all day, although I did through college years, but learned it was a drug you have to take in the right circumstances, and that’s what its about, smoking for pleasure rather than relief.

04-22-2003, 07:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
moonchild YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: up in the attic Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thnx, really interesting about schizophrenia and cigarettes. 85% hey? i think lots of dope smoking can trigger latent schizophrenia, under the right (or wrong) conditions of psych. stress etc. there are so many variables that there is never any hard or fast rules about anything. thank the lord. it's more complex and vibrant and interesting than that.WE are more complex than that, so no formula will fit anyone. but i worry that theis generation, brought up on t.v., computer games, special effects, fast food,then add dope to the formula:...maybe they will be very alienated; maybe there will be lots more mental illness as a result of this combo.any thoughts? also when mj becomes legal and accepted; the marketing will kick in. dope candies for children, like the alcopops. worrying. i don't think the future's going to be groovy.

04-22-2003, 09:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
Captain_Koons YaHookan Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 917 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well honey is natural because they don't use chemicals. I mean chemicals like ammonia, or sulfiric acid. When it comes down to it, everything is natural since we got it all from earth, but what really natural stuff is simply from the earth without much altering or changing. There is a huge difference with a bee mixing necter and pollen (I think) than some guy melting a rock and welding its cooled form to some specially treated petroleum. (A knife with a plastic handle)

09-03-2006, 06:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
Dr. Jonez YaHookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi id like to say marijuana doens't cause skitzophrenia... first of all skitphrenia is caused by holes or cracks in the audio and visual department of your brain.. Whazt happens is when you get high anyway... the special stuff seeps into those holes causeing you to hear or see things.... its likely caused by climidia or ghonorea... get checked out... moreso than acid... get checked this shit is passible by mouth and is the most commong thing... good luck.. maybee the shit will heal.. else they do have good meds out....

09-03-2006, 06:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
Dr. Jonez YaHookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	when weed becomes legal.... less people will be passing stds by mouth in any case.... wheter you hear shit or not.... only moorons can say otherwise...

09-04-2006, 09:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
roll YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 111 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	marijuana acting on dopamine levels is very likely to cause psychosis, schizophrenia like symptomatology and depression. actually i cant think of a drug that doesn't act per dopamine levels. barbiturates may act on serotonin levels but that doesn't means depression is not likely. the war on drugs is bs. but i wouldn't put drugs upon somebody that i know, because i know they wouldnt need it. the marijuana experience and the addiction experience are very different. the fact that the war on drugs is bs does not rest significance to the eventual studies on drugaddiction and its impact on physical health. Last edited by roll; 09-04-2006 at 09:34 PM.

09-04-2006, 09:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
wiseco I am Hip-Hop Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Fuck is a Bachinsky? Posts: 3,301 Thanks: 60 Thanked 62 Times in 41 Posts	Wtf is with noobs and bringing old fuckin posts up? __________________ Lets Get Drunk, Get Blowed Spit Shit, Spark Blunts and Fuck Hoes <Afrohorse> if youre in the middle of a k hole, what are gonna do about people stealing your tv

09-07-2006, 09:19 PM	#18 (permalink)
Dr. Jonez YaHookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Basically skitzophrenia is not caused by low dopamine levels... its caused by holes where the dope leaks out.. people have low dope and not be skitzo...... the medication they give does not cure skitzo but merely helps with the side efects... Weed is fine if your on the medication.... Some weed is good for skitzoness like pure indica plants like northern lights... There are 2 differnet kinds of weed.. The Kind you smoke and want more... like the cheap shit. people sell alot ov... and stuff like northern lights.. you can smoke and be completely satisfied with high dope levels... I think the problem is painfully obvios....

09-08-2006, 09:37 AM	#19 (permalink)
roll YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 111 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	you mean holes like the ones caused by mdmda?- what do you mean by holes there are lots of kind of schizphrenia. and mj is known to cause amnesia, like a narcotic. it's like an exageration but is true. so far i'v only known one kind of mj the one when you want more. of course you'r satisfied but you still will want more the next day or whatsoever.