Christian Extremism and Terrorism In History

[DdC]

I'm not going to agree with anyone in this argument, because I could care less about Christian or Islamic or Martian terrorists.

If you care less why open the post?

But Geeno didn't insult you at all...granted he didn't explain why he was agreeing with dub, but that shouldn't have given you a reason to put him down. Would you have said the same thing if he said "I'm going to agree with DdC"?

I don't post to recruit agreement. And Geeno has every right to think or follow whomever he wants. But because they're behind the back insults, it doesn't excuse them. And when someone enters a debate they should have manners to debate the issue. If he agrees he should make the claim and stand by it. Not generalize in safety, without addressing anyone. Don't enter the fight ring if you want to be a spectator.

Theres more than one side to everything,

Yup, and I brought the "other side" of dubby's post.

I think the problem with most people is that when they truly believe something, they will do anything to get other people to believe it. Almost everything in life can be viewed from more than one angle.

I haven't even stated what I believe. You might know that if you actually cared enough to read the post I make. It is not me saying the Christians are murdering thugs, it is the country's forefucking fathers for keyrist sakes! It is real patriots warning us of tyrants using lame religions and fascists oppression. Not me dude. So insulting the interior design of a post has nothing to do with the content debated. If anyone wants to be an interior decorator of posts, let em. But my format is not up for debate. Just the issues.

That really didn't have much relevance to the topic, and I'm not trying to start any shit with anyone here. I just like to type when I'm high

they? much relevance? Who's they, Washington, Jefferson and Franklin or Thomas Paine and John Adams, or maybe Madison? What "they" are you blabbing about?

I think "their" words have volumns to say about the lowlife religionists treachory and treasonous acts throughout the history of this country to this day with the religious piss tasters and rehab groups getting tax dollars. Now the DEAth czar is pushing more christian perversions with manditory pisstastes. Hiring hundreds of "observers" to make sure the lil tikes don't cheat. Same as the church molestations with the congregation kids I guess. Maybe you should type words with meaning and form an opinion out of fact and not because your high. Making peace by mimicking doormats isn't Peace. Have a day.

[DdC]

The "it"; the stuff you write. Everything being singular. Your schtick; your routine. Am I it-ing up enough for you?

Dude you are absolutely nothing to me, you made the claim of reading my post that you admit you don't even like to read. Asignment? That is a sure sign of a puppet to me. Now "everything" wasn't the word you fucked up was it? And unless your ashamed or lying I think you could tell us what it is you don't like, "everything"? That includes you dude! At least we're in agreement with that, I don't like you either...

[DubStyle311]

ddc, do you do these photoshops yourself?

[Geeno]

My favorite is when his link is to some other crap he posted at some other forum that no one probably ever reads there either.

[DdC]

My favorite is when his link is to some other crap he posted at some other forum that no one probably ever reads there either.

"favorite"? "his link"? "some other crap"?

Do you ever address your nonsense to anyone or just howl at the moon dude? My favorite of your post hasn't happened yet. Do you have an opinion of your own or just lame references to the unknown? References are references btw, if it is posted somewhere it is still the original words of the author. Your diversions only give cowards a place to hide in generalizations and fear of debating the issue. If my words were not true you could prove it, as i have done with you and your mentors words. Put up or run away lil girl.

So instead of re-evaluating what he's doing, he just feels the need to insult everyone. That's cool too

Dude you can't lie on a thread when others actually see your words. I am defending the post from your insults. A difference. Re-evaluating is not necessary since i read what i post and know full well what i say. You on the other hand just cower in the shadows without a clue in your head. Addressing the issue wouldn't be your style. I thought you showed what you were made of with the quote you made about famous crack heads. So this is your chance boy, tell us what you feel? Not just following others and throwing darts at the darkness. Jerk that flag, lift that bale, rage against the ragers against the empire. Thats cool too in 1942 Berlin.

ddc, do you do these photoshops yourself?

Some

I wish it were easier to read your posts.

Instead of a concise history lesson this is just another one of your ridiculous posts filled with random quotes, bullshit links (the Book Search for example), and strange propaganda photoshoped pics.

The only bit of substance in your whole post was the blurb on the Inquisition. A horrible event in christian history. If a single targetted terror campaign is worst event you can find committed by christians in history, compared to my post on the Muslims, i think its obvious which was worse.

Not to mention the fact that christians have repeatedly aplogised for the inquisition. I cant remember anyone apoligising for the Musilims.

SHit, you better lock this thread, you wouldnt want any legitimate discussion to take away from your post.

DdC seems to post pre-made snips from some type of pro-marijuana archive....

some of the stuff he posts and his links are pretty informative...

but i agree, he definately doesnt seem like the type whos on yahooka for discussion, more like spreading his beliefs...

to each his own....at least hes working for something i support!

[snapshot]

touche

[Pitfall]

PWNED

^

[DdC]

DdC seems to post pre-made snips from some type of pro-marijuana archive....

Besides the derogatory "M" word that's about right, many archives actually. And snips I gathered over the last 10 years on the net and local papers etc.

some of the stuff he posts and his links are pretty informative...

That is what it is entirely about. Posting what you won't see on TV or in print outside of the local towns it takes place. All of the links reference the topic, nothing to do with me. I only give opinion on others info and watch who is posting info and who is trying to divert others from seeing it. When the messenger is attacked it is always because there is no opposing side other than lies. And those who follow the lies blindly. Ganja is or it isn't. The reality of the natural laws make the claim it definitely is. Tensile strength, omega essential fatty acids and medicinal use are not up to debate, only censorship from the public and schools. It is or it isn't a Christian nation. The founding fathers claim it isn't. Therefore Christians should not be governing or legislating as Christians. When they "rehabilitate" pot smokers on court order that is un-American. When corporations having vested interest in prohibition influence the law makers that is Fascism. It is or it isn't. See who debates the topics and who gibbers nonsense or insults and you will find who is true and who follows blindly.

but i agree, he definitely doesnt seem like the type whos on yahooka for discussion, more like spreading his beliefs...

Anyone can click on the moniker of anyone posting and see I have entered many discussions, posted many rants and usually always bring facts to back the words up. No matter if the words are in bold type or plain. My belief’s come from the facts of simple reality as stated. No need for “believing” someone, especially those with vested interest selling something. My post are simply information correlated and given freely to anyone to use as they see fit as long as the content is left as written. Believers will follow myth or raging lunatics like Hitler and Bush. Ask them why they believe and it’s like the reefer madness prohibitionists shouting Ganja is bad cause it’s illegal and it’s illegal cause it’s bad! If the founding fathers claim it is not a Christian country and Christians are the most violent in History and continue persecuting millions around the globe and right here with the Ganjawar they have been waging since the repeal of booze prohibition. The Vatican back to the early days, even though they have never stopped growing hemp.

to each his own....at least hes working for something i support!

It shouldn't be this hard to get the info out and comprehended, but then again this Ganjawar is a candle burning at both ends. The DEAth have as much to loose as the grower. The pisstasters as much as the antidote makers. The prisons and the food services to the prisons. The competition corporations not having a threat on the shelves lumping hemp with Ganja. The politician taking their bribes. The cops with the bloated budgets and the counties getting eradication grants to remove wild ditchweed. The drug makers and the booze makers and the crude oil plastics and poly fiber clothing and textiles. All sitting on their own monopoly keeping cannabis off the market.

No public forum outside of the internet they’ve been trying to censor for 10 years also. No corporate media DARE risk the truth seeping out to millions. Easier to dumb down the masses with game shows and fake news. Tell them there are two sides to a story and not let on that one of those sides is wrong. Compromise on reality. Though half truths are still lies. Compromising is diverting from not only common sense but ethics and morals and standards.

Convenient or coincidence, the same as the abortions from pesticide poisons are the same as those in the clinics. I just don't get why someone would disregard the founding fathers words and still rap themselves in the founding fathers flag.

And btw, I’ve been posting here since the old forum back in the 90’s, what exactly is a “yahooka” discussion type?

I met a nigga named ice who ironically sold crack,
more crack than most people can imagine.

If this is an example you’re probably right,
I’m not that type.

touche

touche?

some of the stuff he posts and his links are pretty informative...

to each his own....at least hes working for something i support!

touche?

I don't read it either.

The "it"; the stuff you write. Everything being singular. Your schtick; your routine.

I do believe you would touche a moose grunting. You just claimed almost the exact opposite of what j-wonder posted. How the hell would you know if you don't read the "it"; the stuff I write. Everything being singular. You know, my schtick; routine... Why is it so hard to say what you mean dude? Do you even know what touche means? Are you just on the clock disrupting conversations between consenting adults? Take a public stand dude, any stand. Show your colors not like them pussy terrorista's

[Geeno]

lol what a joke

Id hate for you to address someone that doesnt believe in marijuana, theyd think you were a fucking rabid psycho and blame it on the pot.

Do everyone a favor and shut the fuck up.

[PsyOpKing]

hey dex let me know if you want to buy a bullet and rent a gun on the 21st of July. Just let me know by the 20th, if you want something small and clean, or if you want something with a bit more kick. ( the first one makes an open coffin burial possible the second one and your current plan usually don't.)

[guru the third]

at least you stopped posting in bold-font.

And yeah of course Jefferson has something bad to say against the Christian religion... they fled Europe because of CATHOLIC persecution. And form now on I think we should seperate Christian and Catholic.

[SageTree]

Nice Read

[MammaToker]

Ddc, it doesn't matter to me if you post your stuff here or not. I've clicked on some of your links and gotten some infotainment out of them.

What I'm concerned about is that you're going to get banned if you piss too many people off. Yeah, you're gonna get picked on, but isn't that what always happens to the guy who sees it coming? When was the last time you remember of someone telling the straight truth not getting heckled for it by some people? There's no need to argue with anyone about it.

Also, doesn't it kind of take the focus off your message if you allow yourself to be drawn into personal conflicts regarding your presentation of that message? I think it might be more powerful for you to simply offer us the information and let us do with it what we will *as* we will. You're never going to be able to control how your message is received, so it's probably in your best interest to present the message as clearly as possible and not generate negative feelings about *yourself* that might detract from the substance of your statements.

[DubStyle311]

at least you stopped posting in bold-font.

And yeah of course Jefferson has something bad to say against the Christian religion... they fled Europe because of CATHOLIC persecution. And form now on I think we should seperate Christian and Catholic.

I support that idea. Catholicism is much more moderate and accepting than many fundamental christian churches in america.

And for the record, they were escaping the Anglican Church, not the Roman Catholics....

[DubStyle311]

Ddc, it doesn't matter to me if you post your stuff here or not. I've clicked on some of your links and gotten some infotainment out of them.

What I'm concerned about is that you're going to get banned if you piss too many people off. Yeah, you're gonna get picked on, but isn't that what always happens to the guy who sees it coming? When was the last time you remember of someone telling the straight truth not getting heckled for it by some people? There's no need to argue with anyone about it.

Also, doesn't it kind of take the focus off your message if you allow yourself to be drawn into personal conflicts regarding your presentation of that message? I think it might be more powerful for you to simply offer us the information and let us do with it what we will *as* we will. You're never going to be able to control how your message is received, so it's probably in your best interest to present the message as clearly as possible and not generate negative feelings about *yourself* that might detract from the substance of your statements.

yes, he should go back to locking his threads the minute theyre posted

[DdC]

The BattleCrying game by*Paul Mooney
OPINION March 27, 2006

Thousands of young people came to San Francisco on March 24 and 25 for BattleCry, a national campaign to rally right-wing teens to the banner of the culture war -- literally. Under the symbol of a red flag, they gathered at AT&T Park for two days of Christian rock, multimedia sermons and heavy doses of war rhetoric.

"Are you ready for a battle? Are you ready to go to battle? The enemy has declared war on you guys!"

John Adams: Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?

With those words, pastor Ron Luce kicked off an event that critics charge promotes racism, sexism, homophobia and militant fascism to America's youth.
For an organization that rails against violence in movies and video games, BattleCry's own speech and graphics evoke a disturbing image of armed conflict. They talk of war, of revolution, of a generation under attack by sex, drugs and Hollywood, and of building God's army. Fortunately for America, God's army is still in training bras and braces.

The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.
-- Abraham Lincoln

It's easy to dismiss their warmongering as mere metaphor. The right has been hyping the culture war for decades. However, groups like Theocracy Watch, which monitor the radical religious right, have been watching for warning signs in case the movement ever begins to take its own hype as literally as it does the Bible. Some, like Eric Rudolph, already have.

It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of citizens and one of the noblest characteristics of the late Revolution. The freemen of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much ... to forget it
-- James Madison.

Fortunately, no one was passing out the ammo -- or the Kool-Aid -- at the main event Friday night. The kids seemed like typical teenagers, equally interested in each other as what was happening on stage. Most of them were white, with a fair amount of Asians and Latinos, but very few African Americans. Although many were visibly moved by Luce's preaching, the crowd came to life the most during the musical acts. And I have to admit, the performances didn't completely suck.

This would be the best of all possible worlds,
if there were no religion in it.
-- John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

It's confession time. I'm no longer a teen. In fact, I'm even past the age where I could play one on TV. But if I'm any judge, it seems like the religious right is getting better at marketing to the youth audience by wrapping its message in pop culture. They've figured out how to speak to kids -- in their own language, with podcasts. Goodbye "Chicken Soup for the Teenage Soul"; hello www.battlecry.com.
BattleCry takes advantage of the fact that war is "cool." This way, when kids are faced with other cool things -- sex, alcohol, drugs, porn, violent video games, etc. -- they can say no without feeling like complete dorks. BattleCry is not providing an alternative to pop culture so much as its own version of it.

James Madison: What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.

By choosing war as its brand image, BattleCry simply replaces one group of vices with another. War is a powerful stimulant. It incites our fear and anger. It creates a climate of group-think and an us-vs.-them mentality that is alien to the "love your enemy" philosophy of Christ. Jesus didn't have much to say about sex and drugs, but he had a lot to say about love.

Jesus: "Blessed are those persecuted for righteousness's sake:
For theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven."
The Drug War Refugees

For all its talk, BattleCry doesn't seem to be addressing the real violence I remember from my own youth. In school, then as now, most of the beatings were handed out by the jocks. (Could you imagine if BattleCry tried to outlaw football, instead of video games?!) The big guys always pick on the little guys, especially if there's anything different about you -- such as being gay. The handful of video-gamers who have gone postal did so only after finally breaking under the pressure of school bullying.

"A violently active, intrepid, brutal youth that is what I am after...
I will have no intellectual training. Knowledge is ruin for my young men."
Adolf Hitler quoted by John Gunther "The Nation"

It is a central part of all fundamentalist movements to see themselves as victims, even when they behave like bullies. The more rapidly society changes, the more they feel threatened -- and driven to strike back.

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1814

The BattleCry Web site says: "Today's teens are being attacked by popular culture like no other generation.. . . In order to defeat our enemy, we must know how it thinks and understand the weapons it uses."

"Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth...Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea."
Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10

To carry out its battle plan, BattleCry has planned rallies for cities all over the country. The goal is to build a cohesive network of fundamentalist church youth groups. What it plans to do with all these kids is unclear, although leadership training and evangelizing seem to be a big part of it.

"It's those Jewish Bastards Out for Legalizing!"
Richard M.Nixon

Ganja & the Bible
Despite common knowledge and widespread scientific support, the federal government has for nearly 30 years kept cannabis in schedule 1 as a deliberate way to deny patients access to medical marijuana. This includes people suffering from asthma, cancer, migraine headache, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, and provides relief for many other conditions. As a result, people at various locations across the USA have had to risk and suffer years in prison for providing medical marijuana to patients as an act of compassion and personal conscience. What would Jesus do? He chose to break the law in order to heal the sick.

I went to the BattleCry rally feeling concerned, but with an open mind. I left feeling scared. BattleCry has close ties to Promise Keepers and other Christian Reconstructionist groups that openly advocate turning America into a theocracy. This could be their way of mentally grooming teens to accept the idea of war. Or it could all fizzle out in a few months. Judging from the empty seats Friday night, less than half of the estimated 25,000 kids showed up.

"It also gives us a very special,
secret pleasure to see how unaware the people around us are
of what is really happening to them. "
Adolf Hitler"

Whether this is just the Lollapalooza of the religious right or the beginning of a militant fascist youth movement remains a mystery.
Paul Mooney lives in San Francisco and is an information architect at PlanetOut, Inc.



(Jesus "But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek, offer also the other, and him that taketh away thy cloak, forbid not to take thy coat also."
(Luke 6:27-29)

[DdC]

Evangelical teens rally in S.F.
Luce didn't flinch in the face of the counterprotest. The author, host of the "Acquire the Fire TV" cable television program and a President Bush appointee to a federal anti-drug-abuse commission, wants teens to find Bible-based solutions for the spread of sexually transmitted disease, teen pregnancy, drug abuse and suicide.

"This is more than a spiritual war," Luce said. "It's a culture war."

Thomas Jefferson's word for the Bible? Dunghill.



Conservative Christian Youth Rally Met With Protest In SF
by The Associated Press March 26, 2006
Ron Luce's Texas based Teen Mania Organization put on the event...
Mandatory Tithings/Donation\LuvOffering $55adv/$199gate

Onward Christian Soldiers alternet

Maverick priest braves indifference,
poverty to reach young sex workers
JUSTIN M. NORTON Associated Press SAN FRANCISCO
The Rev. River Sims' rent-controlled efficiency apartment is lined with handmade crucifixes and photos of young male hustlers who sold sex for cash. Many are now dead. There's Zach, who died of a drug overdose at 19. Larry died of AIDS at 27. They are just two of the young men Sims has known during his years as an itinerant street priest who walks San Francisco's seedier streets, distributing clean needles, condoms and Gospel tidbits to male prostitutes.

(Jesus:) "The King shall answer and say unto them, 'Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethern, ye have done it unto me."
(Matt. 25:40)

Drowning Out Hateful Christian Facists
As Luce and a few hundred youth supporters rallied on the steps of City Hall in San Francisco, behind a line of police and a row of barricades, they were drowned out by protestors chanting, “Religion Is One Thing, Theocracy Is Another! The Christian Right Is Wrong!” and “Battlecry Is Based On Lies, Think For Yourself, Open Your Eyes!”



Come you masters of war You that build all the guns You that build the death planes You that build the big bombs You that hide behind walls You that hide behind desks I just want you to know I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin' But build to destroy You play with my world Like it's your little toy You put a gun in my hand And you hide from my eyes And you turn and run farther When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old You lie and deceive A world war can be won You want me to believe But I see through your eyes And I see through your brain Like I see through the water That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers For the others to fire Then you set back and watch When the death count gets higher You hide in your mansion As young people's blood Flows out of their bodies And is buried in the mud



You've thrown the worst fear That can ever be hurled Fear to bring children Into the world For threatening my baby Unborn and unnamed You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know To talk out of turn You might say that I'm young You might say I'm unlearned But there's one thing I know Though I'm younger than you Even Jesus would never Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question Is your money that good Will it buy you forgiveness Do you think that it could I think you will find When your death takes its toll All the money you made Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die And your death'll come soon I will follow your casket In the pale afternoon And I'll watch while you're lowered Down to your deathbed And I'll stand o'er your grave 'Til I'm sure that you're dead...
Bob Dylan- Masters of War

(Jesus:) "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are those persecuted for righteousness' sake: For theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
(Matthew 5:9-10)



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