Well are you?

[Štulic]

Originally Posted by TheGrandPuba

What's with the random capital letters?

First symptoms of Schizophrenia.

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Is a risk, from a mystical point of view you'r in contact with entities cause of your daily basis smoking, so you hear voices, or actually telepathically talk with your fellow stoners. when you cease to smoke you go back to normal earthly frequency in which there's no more of this stuff.

From a scientific point of view, you'r altering dopamine levels. so when you quit go figure you will show depression like symptoms, like with every ant-depressant. so go back to your activism. the only reason is pointless is cause your frequency is way different than normal frequency. so you will appear anxious or even possessed to every sober being. IMO.

you all got a rabid fear of facts. marijuana just as alcohol or morphine can be a way of life, transition back to normal mammal levels involves a series of changes, after prolongued use. there's a difference between experience and Addiction. it seems that my frequency is indeed incompatible to your marijuana brain altered frequencys.

the only thing that was stuck in your minds was the fact that i mentioned legalization of all drugs, because you all want to get high. anyways after prolongued and excessive abuse you will either show depression or other symptoms. however just as alcohol you dont know what marijuana means to you until you finally drain it all from your system, and what advantages you get? first you'r not anxious and paranoid, you dont have to be stuck with the same frame of mind for the next twenty years (the fount of eternal youth), you escape the drug addiction loop (like with alcohol) theres a difference between experience and addiction- anyways i get there's just a few of us who will show you what are the facts. i wonder if once you are sober you will still try to fond for marijuana legalization.

[ebolaman]

im talking through personal experience if youre talking to me
in other words maybe youre one of the few that go through addiction to marijuana and depression and all that
to me it seems that people that oversmoke are the ones with empty lives which means marijuana was just an escape for them

[Captdoug713]

(i do)

Really?

[SmokeSomeDoja]

can we close this thread? its full of unfounded bullshit and stupid claims. not the place for cannabis activism.

[Bad dog]

non-'addictive' drugs should be de criminalized and hard drugs should be made available, under medical supervision, to anyone who wants.

it shouldn't be legalised, but you do have to draw the line somewhere.
A government that locks up people en masse for drug use is wrong. It is your body and no one should lock you up for doing anything with your body.

Governments know that prohibition and custodial sentences don't help anyone.

It is a shame that people get in trouble with the law for using soft (ish) drugs and that people with addictions can't get their drugs clean, legally and be medically supervised.

I guess that more people get rich when it's illegal.

In social minded places such as Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand the police and court systems do their best not to lock people up for using drugs. It's only in The USA that thousands of people are locked up and have their lives ruined for being caught with drugs for their own personal use.

[Christoffer]

Everyone please stay on topic. If not this thread will be closed.

[Captdoug713]

Cannabis Culture Mag has a new issue this month for activist. Good reading. Anyone that wants to do something but doesn't know where to start should pick up a copy.

[SweetSativa]

You know... I smoked steadily/ daily for around 10 years (with a few small breaks) and was always 'semi-outspoken'... I didn't run around our small town advertising that I was a stoner but I wrote music and spoke to whoever wanted to bring it up about my beliefs. Now I have stopped (I'm going to even have a 'one last time' ceremony... maybe next week or so)... I don't mean that I'll never smoke again... but never will I do it daily again unless I come down with cancer or something and I need it. I will speak to whoever will speak openly with me about the medical and spiritual benefits of the herb but I will also speak about how I believe that it can be abused/ misused. I am not judging people though... I don't attribute any 'moral' issues to the use of cannabis except for the corruption that has criminalized it. My job and direction that I am moving now puts me into a position where abstinance is at least beneficial if not a must.... the fears outweigh any benefits. I am a forever 'hippy'... I have learned and grown alot using the herb as a tool. That's why I'm still here at Yahooka after having quit some 6 mos. ago... it's still who I am. It's like it goes so much beyond the substance and more into the persona... of the lessons learned and the perspective gained. Member of NORML... but not much up for demonstrations anymore... the legalization issue has taken the back seat in order to allow me to pursue issues that are forerunning at the time. There are people in greater need who I have the ability to help so that is where my focus lies.... but I will always tell anyone who asks exactly what I think.

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Originally Posted by ebolaman

im talking through personal experience if youre talking to me
in other words maybe youre one of the few that go through addiction to marijuana and depression and all that
to me it seems that people that oversmoke are the ones with empty lives which means marijuana was just an escape for them

We All talk from personal experiences.
To me it seems about everyone who thinks addiction is a matter of empty lives does not know what they'r talking about.

However i believe you, i could barely understand the other posts, how long did you smoked daily and for how long did you suddenly cut off? Perhaps there are quite a few people who can just 'quit' alcohol and cigarettes or benzos or coffee or any chemical after addiction

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Originally Posted by ebolaman

if i understand the part about all you needed being packed correctly i say all a vegetable person needs is there this is just an experience enhancer or creator just like watching a movie

what do you mean by a 'vegetable' person? they need medical attention.
marijuana is a sensitizer, it indeed can make a certain situation appear 'x' or enhanced. t,v, depression etc. amplified. it amplifies the senses/moods in some way, etc. while this is for real or not depends entirely on you. awareness is a complex thing, you cant be aware under the control of a substance say? it's more like a change of frequency rather than awareness.

it's also a depressant, painkiller, stimulant, hallucinogen etc. cause of it capacities of sensitizer it can act to just about every drug. some kinds might be more hallucinogen, or more depressant.

what i mean by 'packed' is that you can enhace this stuff naturally (however for short periods of time as im not buddha- i am aware that just like alcohol has it's pros and cos, starting from the simple fact of recreational use, which is why we all really use drugs (not psychiatric). and also cause we'r addicted once we are addicted (nucleus accumbens)

[SmokeSomeDoja]

how is what you are rambling about have to do with the threads question or cannabis activism in general?

you are no expert on drugs, as any person with minor textbook knowledge or personal experience with any number of drugs can tell.

all you are doing is using loaded terms that muddy any form of rational thought. talking about abstract notions like "awareness" has nothing to with cannabis activism. and calling cannabis a depressent, stimulant, hallucinogen, and even painkiller are false and misleading. "more hallucinogen" or "more depressent?" what are you talking about? i hope you realize that a drug is a depressent or stimulant because they speed up or slow down the central nervous system. they arent terms describing mental mood. maybe you did know that. its hard to tell when you speak in meaningless abstract words and don't type in coherent statements.

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Originally Posted by SmokeSomeDoja

how is what you are rambling about have to do with the threads question or cannabis activism in general?

i find i will take credit for saying 'the only reason drugs should be legal is cause its your right toi put wathever stuff in your body', morphine, gasoline

the question has to do with moral ethics of legalization, you can't legalize marijuana and say; 'totally harmless, it might cause irritability, but 's not addictive, and won't cause anything serious beyond lung smoking' that's not true, just cause you havent showed up symptoms of physical addiction, withdrawal, depression or schizotypal like thought pettern, doesn't means they'r not real, addiction is close related to every source of pleasure, and trust me you'r probably as addicted as the vast majority of users here.

I find it relevant to tell ALL the possible damage you may be causing. thus then can be legalized- and i even found a way to do it, being sober and making activism i think would be the best IMHO, imagine an alcoholic fighting for his rights all drunk to the bone.

Originally Posted by SmokeSomeDoja

you are no expert on drugs, as any person with minor textbook knowledge or personal experience with any number of drugs can tell.

serious? i imagine you find all propaganda to be lies? i guess theres no delirium tremens to alcohol cause i haven't experienced it, or i cant get addicted to morphine cause i haven't experienced morphine addiction? i suppose that you'r an expert cause you'r still smoking? To me an expert is someone who used, got addicted and then finally drained all possible fragments of substance from his body and thus recovered, in this sense i do i am an expert. i am sure every ex-alcoholic is an expert on alcohol for example, not some drunken that still drinks. (you ex-alcoholics won't let me lie)

Originally Posted by SmokeSomeDoja

all you are doing is using loaded terms that muddy any form of rational thought.

ok i forvige you. you are not rational, you are rational to your addicted cells who tells you to not betray marijuana by saying it could possibly cause addiction or several other stuff whom i've already pinpointed-

Originally Posted by SmokeSomeDoja

talking about abstract notions like "awareness" has nothing to with cannabis activism

well perhaps would be easier to legalize if you guys were aware (i.e. sober)

Originally Posted by SmokeSomeDoja

and calling cannabis a depressent, stimulant, hallucinogen, and even painkiller are false and misleading. "more hallucinogen" or "more depressent?" what are you talking about?

don't you guys keep saying there are a loads of marijuana varities and thus in amsterdam you can choose between a series of rather more potent brands? like for sayign this shit is high on sative stuf and this shit on indica stuff?

IT is all that that i pinpointed, thats why some people find it useful on cancer (painkiller) or to do house work (stimulant, as you'r addicted you feel better when you smoke and tired/irritable when your withdrawing IMHO) hallucinogen (paranoid dellusions, ideas of reference and perhaps acute sensitivity to objects, sounds, etc, (With time they might be semi-permanent as for say even if you dont smoke for three weeks, you'r still watching the world through marijuana trance, like an alcoholic will still behave like an alcoholic even if hes sober for two weeks) it's also an aphrodisiac being a sensitizer, basically it can be used to a lot of enhanced moods, good and bad (pleasure or anxiety, panic attacks, subconsiously amplify depression, etc) it can cause you to feel worse after certain situation or feel better after certain situation) (this to experience) when you'r addicted it will make you feel good simply cause you'r addicted-

Originally Posted by SmokeSomeDoja

i hope you realize that a drug is a depressent or stimulant because they speed up or slow down the central nervous system.

Of course, marijuana can either slow down your pressure or speed it up, i find it rather speeds it up even though it might open the veins. yourhearth palpitates faster. it's more like an astimulant in this sense, it might stimulate the nervous system and depressed your motor coordination. (mood)

Originally Posted by SmokeSomeDoja

they arent terms describing mental mood. maybe you did know that.

they are AS WELL a means to describe mental mood OF course (please) you call it stimulant cause it stimulates you to do so and so and depressant cause they put you to sleep, so please.

Originally Posted by SmokeSomeDoja

its hard to tell when you speak in meaningless abstract words and don't type in coherent statements.

pardon me? if anything you'r the one who's just don't coherent. i dont blame you as you'r in a state of possession


So anyways, I find this goes on activism cause you cannot legalize anything and say that is harmless, why dont you give it to little kids? why not feed babies with a harmless substance? there are a series of risks that you are not aware until you withdrawn from marijuana. and as i've pinpointed besides the fact that can make you a lazy and dumb person (as my tired statements here trying to explain the obvious) these are not risks. the risks are depression and possible drug-psychosis and also addiction. unless you all accept this i think it wont be legalized, if one day it is legalized and used it would be cause we got addicted, not cause we think is harmless, just like cigs

IF alcohol didn't said on the label 'this shit may cause shit' it wont be legal. it's a matter of accepting what kind of shit may happen in order to legalize something that is obviously addictive. legalization of drugs will lead to a higher concentration of drug addicts world wide.

[SmokeSomeDoja]

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you are an idiot, felicidades

[Christoffer]

You guys fucked it up good huh?

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