What do you think of this?

[sicntired]

A B.C. man just had his mortgage free $600,000 dollar home seized by the fascist drug police.If he had been renting he'd do 6 months and be a free man.He had no criminal history,was a recluse and had been growing for personal use for over 20 years.He is currently planning to fight for his home.Needless to say this comes as a shock to the 59 year old man.If this is justice,send me to Russia.Ever since the Province passed it's seizure laws they have stolen 4 million dollars in two years. That was before the recent 600 grand windfall.It isn;'t even necessary to prove you paid for the home from the proceeds of crime.It's your burden to show you didn't.Think about that for a minute.If you rent to a grower,your home can and will be seized and sold at auction.The onus is on the property owner.This is such a total injustice I am at a loss as to what to do.I am opening up the discussion so there may be a germ of an idea out there that can quash this law or at the very least save this mans home.

[Kishar]

He shouldn't have been growing pot in his house. Whats the big deal with that law? They been doing that in the states for as long as I can remember.

I been trying to tell you people forever, if your gonna grow do it outside and on someone else's property. Bigger buds and no proof it's yours.

[30_Units]

I don't really think this is an OH thing, I'm gonna move it somewhere once I figure out where's best.

maybe activism?

Good luck, OP.

[sicntired]

I think you missed the point that this guy is a recluse that's been growing for personal use for 22 years.He is not a criminal or involved in any way in distribution.He had no idea his home was in jeopardy.His neighbors say he's almost a hermit.There's no question that this was a for profit operation.As for the US,Blah!You are holding the rest of the world back in drug reform .This was British Columbia where the crime would have gotten him a maximum of 6 months if he was a renter.You guys lack of sympathy or empathy blows me away.No wonder your laws suck so badly.You're all so jaded.

[zoltron]

Hey, hold on there, pal. You sure are 'generalizing' about us Americans.

Fuck yeah, it's an injustice. I feel bad for the dude. But what can WE do about it? Like kishar said, we've been dealing with this shit for decades. There's a lot of Americans who grow in their homes & are also afraid of the heat finding out & them losing their house.
This so-called 'Drug War' has done nothing but toss otherwise innocent people in the joint for having some joints. My nephew had to pull a 3 year bit in Leavenworth [the military section] for selling 2 -- 1/4 ozs to an undercover M.P. He said that he would see 'chesters' [child molesters] come & go while he sat in a cell for weed.
When molesters & rapists cop a lesser sentence than a dude selling a little weed...there is something dreadfully upside-down in that situation.

[№1]

Originally Posted by zoltron

Hey, hold on there, pal. You sure are 'generalizing' about us Americans.

Fuck yeah, it's an injustice. I feel bad for the dude. But what can WE do about it?

Vote. Early and often

Originally Posted by zoltron

Like kishar said, we've been dealing with this shit for decades. There's a lot of Americans who grow in their homes & are also afraid of the heat finding out & them losing their house.

I know I'm preachin' to the choir here old man, but thanks for opening the door. Soon enough, there will be more of us than them, some of them will be politicians. These guys work for you, take that back, get active with your local reps. I know where my mayor eats breakfast, I know where most of my city council is at on Sunday afternoon, they're right there and most will listen.

Originally Posted by zoltron

This so-called 'Drug War' has done nothing but toss otherwise innocent people in the joint for having some joints. My nephew had to pull a 3 year bit in Leavenworth [the military section] for selling 2 -- 1/4 ozs to an undercover M.P. He said that he would see 'chesters' [child molesters] come & go while he sat in a cell for weed.

Pot seller (actually, any victimless crime that'll turn a profit) has potential to pay 'restitution' to the state once he is free and on probation, most other criminals are a burden on states resources, you have to make money somehow.

Originally Posted by zoltron

When molesters & rapists cop a lesser sentence than a dude selling a little weed...there is something dreadfully upside-down in that situation.

You might think so, but as a business, justice has it down pat.

[sicntired]

Originally Posted by zoltron

Hey, hold on there, pal. You sure are 'generalizing' about us Americans.

Fuck yeah, it's an injustice. I feel bad for the dude. But what can WE do about it? Like kishar said, we've been dealing with this shit for decades. There's a lot of Americans who grow in their homes & are also afraid of the heat finding out & them losing their house.
This so-called 'Drug War' has done nothing but toss otherwise innocent people in the joint for having some joints. My nephew had to pull a 3 year bit in Leavenworth [the military section] for selling 2 -- 1/4 ozs to an undercover M.P. He said that he would see 'chesters' [child molesters] come & go while he sat in a cell for weed.
When molesters & rapists cop a lesser sentence than a dude selling a little weed...there is something dreadfully upside-down in that situation.

I asked what you guys thought and was told about how terrible you guys have it down there.I'm not trying to throw stones at individual Americans or any country.It's just that the American government is behind this drug war and everyone knows it.When I posted a story of an injustice I was basically told that it was a regular happening and what was the big deal?As I was asking for opinions,I took what I was given and worked with it.I thought this was a world wide issue and that the people on this site could help to come up with some ideas to help this guy out.Follow the thread from it's inception.I was met with zero empathy and a lot of attitude.Now it's like it's me that's being the jerk.People have no sympathy and are fine blaming this guy for not being aware of the risks.That was the point from the beginning.He had no idea the laws had been changed.He's a recluse.I was absolutely stunned at the responses I got.I may have gone off because of a few lame posts,I don't know.I thought we were all trying to make things better,not just here to put down the very people we should be rallying behind in support.A lot we'll accomplish throwing stones at each other.Ps,I'v e done a few bits myself and that's why I hate this drug war so much.I too saw rapists and baby f*kers come and go while people on drug charges were never considered for parole.I've lost 12 years of my life to this war.I may be a little touchy.I didn't mean to offend everyone,just the ones that showed they couldn't care less.

[zoltron]

/\/\/\/\ Nah, you're right about this Country being the prob with that confounded Drug War. I really thought we'd see Legalization by now. I was living in Denver in 1974 when weed was decriminalized to 'under an oz = $25 citation'. I would've sworn by 1980, we'd have outright Legalization.

Now I doubt I'll live to see the day. Really sad about the dude in BC.

EDIT: Good post, 1!!

[sicntired]

We had a vote ready in the house in Canada in the late 70"s but it died on the roster and never reappeared.Cretien(C anadian PM) used to say how he tried to legalize it and we wouldn't let him.It was a tough thing to have to hear.Now we get mailings telling us how drugs are killing our society.(Conservativ e born again Christians)

[zoltron]

What really frosts my nuts about our so-called 'democracy' is that in all reality, we only have the 2 choices for President -- a Democrat (Obama) or a Republican [McCain]. No other political party has a prayer in the polls.
The 'System' is set-up all wrong. There should be no different 'parties'. Vote for the best candidate in your opinion. Write-in whoever you think would make a good Prez & the 1 with the most votes wins.
I'm sure there's flaws in that also, but it's the groundwork for a new way to vote. I know No.1 says to get out there & vote, but it feels useless to me. I'd vote for Lee Iacocca for President, but that vote would just be useless.
What the USA needs is another Revolutionary War. Start over. I'm sure our Founding Fathers didn't have this set-up in mind. I've been so fed-up with the way we elect our officials, the last time I voted was Nixon/McGovern 1972. Sad but true.

[Kishar]

Originally Posted by sicntired

I think you missed the point that this guy is a recluse that's been growing for personal use for 22 years.He is not a criminal or involved in any way in distribution.He had no idea his home was in jeopardy.His neighbors say he's almost a hermit.There's no question that this was a for profit operation.As for the US,Blah!You are holding the rest of the world back in drug reform .This was British Columbia where the crime would have gotten him a maximum of 6 months if he was a renter.You guys lack of sympathy or empathy blows me away.No wonder your laws suck so badly.You're all so jaded.

Easy killer. I wasn't trying to be a smart ass I assumed (which was wrong of me) you knew that in the United States (thats where most of us are from) if they raid your house they take EVERYTHING and auction it off. I totally agree with you and I think that weed should be legal because it's far less harmful than alcohol which is legal, which boggles my mind.

Idk what you can do other than petition for a law change or like No.1 says vote for reform. But who wants to go around town trying to petition for the legalization of drugs I mean then your labeled as a druggie and people start talking and before you know it you get narced out and popped. Catch 22.

Do you know this man? Why are you wanting to help him?

[zoltron]

Originally Posted by Kishar

I think that weed should be legal because it's far less harmful than alcohol which is legal, which boggles my mind.

But who wants to go around town trying to petition for the legalization of drugs I mean then your labeled as a druggie and people start talking and before you know it you get narced out and popped. Catch 22.

I've been saying both these statements for years. When a person is drunk & a novice, they'll end up saying shit like, "Hey man, watch me take this corner doing 90!!" & if stoned, the thought wouldn't even enter the mind. But it's the booze that's sold in the store, while the stuff that makes sense, will get a person prison time.

And yeah, the second you open your mouth [especially in my Bible-Belt area] about Legalization, the cops [who have 0 to do in this retirement community. Arrest a speeding golf cart? LOL!!] are all over your ass...cruising by the house & shit.
I did have an incident yrs ago where the local heat thaught I was dealing weed & for awhile kept a watchful eye on the house. Eventually became uninterested & that was that...but the second you condone weed, the more jeopardy you're put in.
I don't know -- something's gotta give or we'll implode. LOL!!

[sicntired]

Vancouver,where I live,used to be one of the most liberal cities in NA on this issue.Now we have this conservative,born again government and everything is really starting to suck.I just got a mail out saying that drug addicts shouldn't be allowed to walk the streets with our children.These guys think any drug makes you an addict.God help you if you do something harder.No wonder there's supposed to be a separation of church and state.

[koshiva]

I think that there will be existing laws which should be looked at in much detail because they will specify things such as 'rights' which Canadians are afforded so that they are not abused by the Canadian Govt. Failing that, this guy could look at international laws such as the 'declaration of humans rights' via the UN which is said to protect all citezens from this type of unlawful interference by the Canadian govt - though keep in mind when you strip back the layers it is in fact the USA who has done this to that man.

If the guy was growing for just personal use, how many plants was he growing? Surely the Canadian Govt wouldn't seek to seize the guys home just for a small number of plants? Or was his house packed full of plants? A few plants in the garage, or basement, or a house full?

Regardless, the entire essense and integrity of the law is being brought into question when the burden of proof is on the property owner to prove that they bought the property lawfully. Rather than the prosecution having to prove that the home owner for example payed for his home with drug proceeds - now they can simply let the home owner have to prove that he bought his home with lawful funds.

What if the home owner sufferened from amnesia?(seriously). Imagine, he smokes pot, and not only does he suffer from short term memory loss, but long term memory loss too. So should his house be seized because he has a poor memory? What if he was gifted much? Gambled? Too many loose ends and bassically what you are dealing with here is more of the same in terms of the degradation of the actual foundations of the law itself.

It is all very well to seek to use the UN 'Declaration of human rights' to remedy this most twisted situation - but the fact of the matter is, the UN treaties with regards to drugs were drafted and passed on behalf of the USA.

The UN has in many regards become a mere 'tool' of the USA. When the UN opposes the USA, the USA will just invade sovereign countries any way - and with no sanction. Besides, votes in the UN are bassically 'bought and sold' and it is no surprise that the USA can get its way so many ways.

Look at a country such as Mexico. Totally awash in endemic corruption from the top to the bottom. Mexico pays a very high price for the USA drug war...a country teetering on the edge.

You know Canada was going to at least decriminalise cannabis huh? That is until the USA threatened economic sanctions. Jamaica was going to do the same because Jamaica realised that cageing so many of their people for possesion of a herb, was not such a wise thing to be doing. The USA threatened them with economic sanctions so they too backed down.

Listen, I agree that the USA is behind the drug war world wide. What is so aweful is that the very nature of sovereignty is brought into question. What is that exactly? Condi likes to speak of Iraq as a sovereign nation - but wasn't Iraq a sovereign nation before the invasion and destruction of Iraq by American forces on the basis of the blatant lies of WOMD? When may Iraq again become a 'non-sovereign' nation? If the Iraqis decide to do as Venezuela did and nationalise 'their' oil? What about if the current Iraqi puppet govt is over thrown by nationalists? Would Iraq then be a country which is a threat such that its destruction must happen again?

Clearly the USA war on drugs...indeed just the war on cannabis world wide is sponsored by the USA. The fact of the matter is - the real deals go on behind closed doors. In other words, the people may very well suppport decriminalisation or legalisation - but the PM and drug Czar will sit down and make that executive decision regardless of the wishs of the people. Just like in the UK with that successor to the war criminal.

I think your friend - once he has exhausted all rational options would do well to revert to what is left which is to fight for his rights. When the state ceases to afford you the protections as guarenteed you, and they go further and become the very 'thief' the state is meant to protect you from - what else is there but to take back what is yours? Do you roll over and say 'what ever' or do you become a true patriot and do what is just? Why should Canadians or any other nations citezens be subjected to American abuse? The DEAth may have unlimited resources to perpetuate their most corrupt and immoral acts of treason - but it is important for some to say 'NO!'. Let not these USA war mongers come into Canada and decide Canadian policy! Cause they is still wanting to extradite Mark Emery huh? What for? A plant? Some seeds? Is any one else saying WTF?:joint :

[sicntired]

A very eloquent summation of a very sick situation.The number of plants was never printed but recent changes to the law demand mandatory minimum 6 months for one plant.Seizure only requires that the homeowner be conducting a criminal enterprise on their property.Growing marijuana is a biggie.(to this government)