that's funny cause I did a cannabis speach in class today and was seriously considering saying that I think it will be legalized soon. the teacher's all for it too, but I wasn't pushing it too hard.
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edit; recently some guys from Penn State got busted bringing 400 pounds down from Canada.
that's $320,000 in lost taxes by that rate..
story....
Many Pennsylvania State University students will be looking for new marijuana sources after six current or former students are among seven people charged with being part of a million-dollar marijuana selling operation. According to Attorney General Tom Corbett, Penn State student Paul Spara, 23, of Ruffs Dale, Pa., bought more than 400 pounds of marijuana from Jason Remington of Sauquoit, N.Y., and supplied it to other students. Prosecutors said the drugs were originally shipped from a Canadian Indian reservation to Remington in upstate New York. Investigators say Spara bought 10 to 50 pounds of marijuana a week from Remington, and would then sell some to fraternity members, who in turn sold to other students on campus.
Spara is charged with 13 counts of possession with intent to deliver while Remington faces four counts. They both face conspiracy and other charges. Other students charged included Sanjay Deendyal, 21, of Yardley, Pa., and Evan Stiekman, 22, of Hamden, Conn. Former Penn State students charged were Michael Presogna, 24, of State College, and Evan Mossman, 23, who is currently already in state prison.
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Legalization will drive prices down, drastically, so they can add the 50 tax and still be cheaper than the black market.
It will also bring additional tax money from other stuff, people will save shit loads of money that they can spend on a tv, a car, video games, clothes, etc...
Legalizing marijuana will help the economy, but it will not save it, the same was said when legalizing alcohol again. It will undoubtedly help the economy, help the citizens, help the government, help our children(selling only to adults over 21), help a lot of industries that can switch to products from hemp, and a lot more, it will help period.
But it will help momentarily, it will help for some time which can go from a year to decades, but inevitably the economy will find a way to crash again, its the cycle of a capitalist economy, it just grows till it explodes, but every time governments learn how to keep it from exploding so soon, legalizing marijuana will take pressure from the capitalistic balloon thats ready to explode, but it will just keep on inflating...
Think of the world like this: The world is a circus, the circus must always have a boss and clowns(workingmen), sooner or later the clowns will grow tired of the boss and take him out, becoming the new bosses, with new clowns to work for them, and you guessed it, sooner or later those new clowns will want to be the boss. This is why they say history repeats itself over and over, but each time it lasts longer, because the bosses learn how to keep the clowns in control for a longer period of time...
anyways, im off to work, see you later fellow clowns...
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Originally Posted by SpankyMcLankey
it says $50 in tax per oz...
that's crazy. I wonder if it will get any cheaper if others follow.
50$/oz for commercial growers who plan to sell it.
if youre growing your own whos gonna tax you?
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instead of setting out to connect all the dots, the intent of zen is seeing the dots, letting them connect and then seeing how oneself connects to them.
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"A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger"- words to live by
Legalization will drive prices down, drastically, so they can add the 50 tax and still be cheaper than the black market.
This is true. Growing even really good weed in an environment where it is legal would cost next to nothing. The $50 would be the majority of the purchase price, as cigarette taxes are now.
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Another bump in the road, rest stop for the politically correct hypocrites.
YOU CAN'T TAX VEGETABLES.
Not raw tobacco or carrots or Ganja. "Cigarettes" are adulterated with chemicals, not natural vegetables. Packaged. They are already busting people for not paying taxes on their illegal grows. That's how they got Al Capone. This is a band aid at best and when it gets out of the wash will do the same as any other barter for the whiny cops. Plus as long as the Feds can raid, the street prices will stay prohibition prices. Maybe drop a tad and like the buyers clubs, the only end result will be to identify the growers by seizing the records or in this case just reading the voluntary tax form. Won't do a damn thing about the bogus scheduling lumping hemp into the mix. Appeasing the Oppressors.
Prop 215 already legalizes pot for any citizen without signing your name or paying taxes. For any reason. Without "voluntary" membership cards. The "Compassionate Use Act" not the medical marijuana act. On top of all that Nixon lied to outlaw pot and hemp - illegally, since he lied to Congress and kept vital evidence from the hearing, making the fruit of the tree poison as the seed. Meaning obviously we have unscrupulous politicians. Also, if this law is allowed to be enforced then any semblance of a Democracy is lost and any law is invalid as the integrity of Justice has been politically compromised or rather ConPromised.
or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief. 100 square feet of mature female canopy from seed or clone is harvested at one time outdoors, with a total yield of ±50 ounces (3.1 pounds) of bud to last the entire year.
Can't flush part of the Constitution down the commode, if the Ganjawar propaganda has the weight of law then nothing is sacred or can anyone be expected to follow any other rule of law. Leaving Fascism and Marshall Law or Anarchy and Marshall law. Its only We the People when We the People speak up and show up to be counted. As long as we let the politicians and lawyers dictate the game plan we will be playing this shell game another 100 years. Its a vegetable, let it be. Truth doesn't have an agenda.
HS 11362.5. (a) This section shall be known and may be cited as the Compassionate Use Act of 1996.
* has been recommended by a physician
* person's health would benefit
* or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief.
* no physician in this state shall be punished,
* Illegal possession and cultivation of marijuana, shall not apply to a patient, or to a patient's primary caregiver
* upon the written or oral recommendation or approval of a physician
* The department shall establish and maintain a voluntary program for the issuance of identification cards to qualified patients who satisfy the requirements of this article and voluntarily apply to the identification card program.
* "Qualified patient" means a person who is entitled to the protections of Section 11362.5, but who does not have an identification card issued pursuant to this article.
* It shall not be necessary for a person to obtain an identification card in order to claim the protections of Section 11362.5.
* A qualified patient or a person with an identification card
* Any individual who provides assistance
* A designated primary caregiver who transports, processes, administers, delivers, or gives away marijuana for medical purposes
* (a) Subject to the requirements of this article, the individuals specified in subdivision (b) shall not be subject, on that sole basis, to criminal liability.
compromise / käm-prə-ˌmīz
Settlement of differences by arbitration or by consent reached by mutual concessions.
Something intermediate between or blending qualities of two different things.
A concession to something derogatory or prejudicial (a compromise of principles)
con·ces·sion / kən-ˈse-shən
The act or an instance of conceding.
The admitting of a point claimed in argument.
Something conceded.
con·cede / kən-ˈsēd
To grant as a right or privilege.
To accept as true, valid, or accurate.
(the right of the state to cage sick people is generally conceded)
To acknowledge grudgingly or hesitantly.
One day ok fine, next day - oeywe - may day baby. The banks are busted while a couple hundred billion $'s flushes for interest to "world" banksters. Every year. But Arno needs taxes on the tobacco scam.
3 trillion bail out + another $tril scam in Iraq in conjunction with the Ganjawar scam - costing a trillion since 37. None left for bridge and levy repairs.
Whom ever decided that day to inform the people how broke we were, must be the one deciding the Ganja prices. I don't see how we can all of a sudden get so broke so quick. Didn't the records burn in building #7? No need for Enron Anderson Cheney Haliburton Nixon Boosh shredders. Pitifuckingful.
The tobacco scam... The bottom line is... poor people produce more taxes sick or in cages. Treatment profits while prevention and cures don't. Organic traditional food until the 20's was the norm. Then the Dupont Monstertos Bayer and Tom Delay pesticides started and continue the cycle. Perpetuating dysfunction cause peace and wellness don't pay.
War doesn't pay either, unless by Mission Accomplished its reduced to a "Police Action", then go fer it. Like Vietnam and Korea, Dyncorps and Lockheed root for it and lobby for it to be undeclared by Congress. Sikorsky and the Teamsters love the drug war on plants. Pisstassting jobs and selling tons of Colombian agent orange. Air monkey's flying over domestic gardens and SWAT toys and snitch gadgets and overtime. Plus the billions to the Czar is in a black budget. Funding gawd knows what, Iran Contra, elections and coups or airplane crashes and WMCA assassins. Walters Philanthropy Roundtable corporate tax shelter funding Calvina and PDFA FRCn propaganda groups advertizing their drug war product on tax dollars.
Cayman island shelters for the rich is paid by the workers, most of the teabagging morons. Following Rush nazis like trained seals balancing a ball on their noses. For the scums $400 million contract to keep the hate flowing on crank countering the effects of the oxycontin. Or drunk gossip mongers O'Really, Dobbs and Beckerhead. Ruperts dufis selling products made of plastic, paid like the even more obedient slave athletic supporters.
Politicians love their new drug war on tobacco, when tobacco doesn't harm humans, cigarettes and other human synthetics do the harm and like frankenfoods and chemical food, its cheaper. Meaning the poor will get sick down the road and taxes will pay more to "treat" them then they were ever paid. Indians, Egyptians and Turks as well as early Americans all grew tobacco and smoked it and kept records and nothing until Ronnie Rayguns selling chemical chesterfields adulterated "for your smoking pleasure" Flame retardants and burn enhancers and flavors and smoke coloring and plastic filters and dead tree and plant oil plastic packages. An entire infrastructure to "manufacture" tobacco "products"
Booze has the same fossil fool, strip mined steel and crude oil plastic infrastructure Ganja doesn't require growing in the herb garden. All competition to hemp. So now the price of another vice is to pay for the schools, like the trickle down lottery and casino vices. No taxes left from the regular budget with three active police actions and a border skirmish. While the patriotic republickers unashamed of Boosheney rape and pillaging innocents. Or the DNC wannabes Klintoon Patriot Ax and Education Ax and NAFTA/GATT job ax. Who needs the Taliban we have USAl Qaeda cannibals.
"Users in our matched-pair sample smoked marijuana in addition to as many tobacco cigarettes as did their matched non-using pairs. Yet their small airways were, if anything, a bit healthier than their matches. We must tentatively conclude either that marijuana has no harmful effect on such passages or that it actually offers some slight protection against harmful effects of tobacco smoke"
Cannabis in Costa Rica:
A Study of Chronic Marijuana Use; Institute of Human Issues.
If federal law remains unchanged, Ammiano's bill, AB390, would merely repeal California's criminal penalties for personal cultivation and possession of up to 10 marijuana plants. That means no retail sales, no tax revenue and - the assemblyman hopes - no federal raids.
Canada has been terrified of liberalizing our drug laws for fear of angering Uncle Sam. Ironically, the United States is now closer to legalizing pot than we are. full story
Medical marijuana: Its time has come
At long last, policy makers in Washington have begun to draw a line between illicit drug use and the legitimate use of drugs as medicine
More Marijuana in the Mainstream Media
CANNABIS CULTURE - Mainstream cable news channels continue to seriously address the issue of marijuana legalization on a daily basis. full story
Majority of Americans Favor Pot Legalization
A slim majority of Americans favour the legalisation, taxing, and regulation of marijuana, according to a new poll released yesterday. full story
California Pot Proposal's Impact Depends on Federal Law
The devil is in the details: California's future marijuana laws depend largely on the Federal government. full story
California Counties Target Pot Growers Despite Rising Talk of Legalization
While top U.S. and California officials have recently signaled more lenience toward marijuana users, many local authorities are relying on U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency grants to fund raids on pot growers. full story
Weedies: Breakfast of Champions
CANNABIS CULTURE - Pro Wrestler and pot activist Rob Van Dam would love to see Michael Phelps become an advocate of marijuana, but knows it won't happen. In this Cannabis Culture article, RVD writes that he admires the way the Olympian handled getting busted, and thinks its time to put down the Corn Flakes. full story
Make Marijuana Legal
Drug Policy Alliance founder Ethan Nadelmann on why marijuana should never have been made illegal in the first place. full story
CAPITOL UPDATE By John Lovell March 27, 2009 Law enforcement launched its major push against AB 390, Assembly Member Ammanio’s marijuana legalization bill. Police Chiefs all over the state contacted each member of the Assembly Public Safety Committee and urged members to reject this terrible proposal – a proposal that, among other things, would have lowered the penalties for selling marijuana to children from a felony to a mere infraction. Your calls made a huge impact.
"One of the problems that the marijuana-reform movement consistently faces is that everyone wants to talk about what marijuana does, but no one ever wants to look at what marijuana prohibition does. Marijuana never kicks down your door in tbe middle of the night. Marijuana never locks up sick and dying people, does not suppress medical research, does not peek in bedroom windows. Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could."" ~ William F. Buckley
"Of all tyrannies,
a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims
may be the most oppressive."
-- C.S. Lewis,
in "The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment,"
an essay from "God In The Dock"
good to see some real changes are being made possible. i hope i can see some legalization in my life time. if it goes through in california other states will surely follow when they see the amount of money they would make from it.
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^ so you dont think people should be allowed to smoke weed but its cool for tobacco to be legal
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Originally Posted by verklingen
instead of setting out to connect all the dots, the intent of zen is seeing the dots, letting them connect and then seeing how oneself connects to them.
"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Hendrix
"A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger"- words to live by
ya'know guys, (there are a few others on 'hooka right now), organization and compressing can go a long way to get more people to read what you want them to read
srsly.
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after another opie binge, I'm happy to be able to shit also.. six fucking plunges it took to go down, I mean jesus, some got on my socks. It was like "Go down please god make it go down please ill never steal from work again oh shit above the rim...please god i'll stop pissing in the neighbors pool.....fuck its getting on my sock.
^ so you dont think people should be allowed to smoke weed but its cool for tobacco to be legal
Did I say that lol? No, I think everyone should smoke weed and it should be free to all, how's that?
I guess you missed the
But It's already legal for me though, so why would I want Cali to start charging me tax to purchase it. I don't see the prices changing much either except up.
It should just be decriminalized, and the feds leave our plant the hell alone.
Did I say that lol? No, I think everyone should smoke weed and it should be free to all, how's that?
I guess you missed the
But It's already legal for me though, so why would I want Cali to start charging me tax to purchase it. I don't see the prices changing much either except up.
It should just be decriminalized, and the feds leave our plant the hell alone.
It's legal to me too, and Maffoo live in cali so it's legal to him too.
It's still not federally legal though, so why would you just give up when you get what you want? That's not why we are fighting for our own right, we're fighting for all the decent people that are being held in jail right now for growing a plant.
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