Welfare drug testing...

[verklingen]

Solution: Work your way up the food chain.

there's no food chain you slimy dolt. the only thing keeping you from being eaten by a bear or whatever is the fact that as a collective unit we have risen above our animal competition. the competition within this unit which you seem to view as progress is collective suicide, can't you tell yet? so don't tell people to climb something whose very existence threatens our well-being. cuz if it's really gonna be kept up it'll be the ones on top holding everyone down that fall the hardest.

god i'm glad retarded notions like yours are finally being recognized for the despicable shitfest they are. gtfo.

[SageTree]

All federal grants and contracts require Zero Tolerance "compliance".

The "recovery professionals" claim their clients will all go out and shoot heroin if there's a medical marijuana patient in the house. And the executive directors whine about losing their federal grants.

I'll say this, I never whined that I would go out and shoot heroin if there was a heroin junkie in the house..

In Vancouver the police there sacrifice federal dollars for not supporting federal bans on certain substances. Including the safe injection site. It's too bad that there isn't a way that the places you mentioned don't try to seek personal funding from donors and state organizations.

I'm glad you are able to receive help however, and you got that worked out. Helping people have a safe place to go, an adress, meals and basic needs, is real prevention from all sorts of things.

[Flamingnun]

Uh maybe people should get their shit together and not rely for the state to pay for them to be high?

[TheGrandPuba]

Uh maybe people should get their shit together and not rely for the state to pay for them to be high?

I completely agree.

That being said, drug testing in general is a horrible idea. Of course they won't test for cigs or alcohol. They should make a test to see how many lottery tickets you've bought in the past year, I know the welfare moms around here love their smokes and lottery tickets.

At a certain point are you just policing peoples personal lives....

[SageTree]

This topic has the word Mom in it alot, no? What about Single men and families on welfare, or dead beat Dad's being the reason some of these people have to be on it?

My wife's Mom had to be on it back in the early 80s when my Wife's Dad refused to pay, and Mom couldn't afford daycare so she could go work and get outa the system? My wife's mom worked really hard to get out of it, and I don't think it fair to not mention that sometimes people are just down on their luck/situation. Previously she was in a marriage with planned pregenecies, then her husband became a coke addict and bailed, never paid or helped with anything.

Why is it fair that she should be generalized? This is my only point. It's really easy to be angry when we generalize. Society doesn't function in a manner where people always have a fair chance to get good footing, early in life. I'm not saying welfare is the answer for every problem, but I do think it's a word with alot of weight on it. Socialized healthcare, here in Canada, is a Nation Wide Welfare programme, for all people. Does that make Canada a bunch of dead beats and low lifes because they are on welfare, oh no! What is the world going too do? All these people buying lottery tickets up here to? When will this plague leave us?!?!? Sicial Security in the states, Social Welfare too? Bums the lot of em!

Have some compassion, you never know what your life still holds in store, right? Or are we just the types who think it's okay when WE need it?

[Flamingnun]

My wife's Mom had to be on it back in the early 80s when my Wife's Dad refused to pay, and Mom couldn't afford daycare so she could go work and get outa the system? My wife's mom worked really hard to get out of it, and I don't think it fair to not mention that sometimes people are just down on their luck/situation. Previously she was in a marriage with planned pregenecies, then her husband became a coke addict and bailed, never paid or helped with anything.

Why is it fair that she should be generalized?

What does that have to do with anything? She wasnt the one on Coke, was she? She was claiming for legit reasons.

Im surprised they don't drug test already, especially given the recession when there's WORKERS being laid off, who need to support themselves and their families, until they can secure another job.


The majority of people claiming standard benefits are just lazy.

[SageTree]

I was just saying that because my wife's dad was on coke, which lead her mom to need assistance, that we can't always be sure we know exactly what is going on. I just didn't care for the 'welfare mom' lingo, without really considering that Dad's are involved in the parenting process even if just for a few minutes.

[K]

I found it.

You are basically on medical marijuana for depression.

How you did it, and are getting away with it, is beyond me (only in California ).?........but hey more power to you.

shit didn't/doesn't work the same for most.

[wellfleation]

Wow, look at all the crazy people who replied to that article in "Buz it up" (at the end). 99% of them are for this and also claim that "just about every job drug tests". Do these people live in the US because I would say most jobs DON'T require drug testing. Seems like this is a way to stop the current stampede to decrim mj in those hick states as it is mj users who would be mostly caught as it stays in your system the longest.

So if I'm on public assistance because I lost my job and my neighbor smokes a joint with me on a Friday night I should then have my assistance yanked? Yet the coke and meth users where such drugs take 24 - 48 hours to get out of your body still continue to get their assistance? A lot of the problem is alcoholism. What about that?

This should be challenged in the courts. It seems to be another attempt to keep poor people poor and further divide the classes. Why is it the poor are always targeted for being lazy dopers when the economy goes to hell. We should be helping people get jobs.

Plus, this is going to cost $ $ $! Is it really worth it

[DdC]

We have to protect our war jobs... Those who leave Iraq are going to Mexico in Hildary's new Green War. Less gas and plenty of solar power for war toy gadgets. Biodegradible bullets and smokeless bunker buster bombs. Sending out of work kids to die protecting Bliedumbs brat from snorting coke. Wild peyote and reefer should prove interesting. Soldier kids flying a drone over the desert sending Scam DEAgo HQ nice pictures of rock and sandstone. Don Juan Matus might turn em into lizards.

We didn't start the drug war fire, Nexxon and Bliedum did. He is the frothing mad drug thug of the left. Ranting about RAVE's, lying about X. His amber alert tack on, after three failed attempts. Draconian punishment, illegal glow sticks and censoring Ganjawar reform gatherings. False science once again adds laws to harm kids. Stopping Dance Safe from testing for bogus garbage. Ripping up terminal patients plants, and Indians hemp. Lies and gossip told to Congress, and no one swore an oath of truth let alone whole truth and nothing but the truth. Now his mini minions sitting in tanks thinking about things they know nothing about, yet have an opinion. Pragmatic 3 speed star transmissions telling us what will happen 20 years from now. 40 years later I'm wondering when will they stop repeating old gossip?

So all of his wisdumb should have paid off on his own kid. Like it did Sarah Palen. His own flesh and blood should have learned something. Unless it was all just hogwash to make money. Should of set an example for the lower class users, like kliemon. Now greedy popranazies snap her pic, and its somehow different? I agree it isn't ethical. It is parse and parcel of prohibition, and the rights of peeping tom publications and GOPerverts. Perpetuated by Joe Blow Bliedum. Best lil republican next to Iraqi war criminal Lieberman, the other Joe Blow. Busting Charlie and Killing Rainbow Farmers, all the SWAT murders and Political theater busting bong makers. Sick people extradited to cages from hospital beds. 20 million satisfied customers made into criminals by Joe Blow Blieden.

Either he publicly admits his drug war is busted. Or stay the hypocrite like Jeb Boosh and Limpbog. Like Al Gore and Klintoon, W is just too stupid to include. Ashcroft and Shelby and Kill em all Cunningham, Knewty and Gramm cracker from Texas. Slot Machine virtue dude Bennett, Philanthropy Roundtable money laundramat prez Walters, Souder funding Thai genocide, Daddy Boosh killing 111 Panamanians snatching CIA DEA snitch Noreaga... Iran Contra was Boosheney's base. Run of the mill typical HYPOCRITES! Hundreds of others skipping the punishments, except wingnut Sheen, siding with private prisons over his own kid. Both sides want pawns and what Joe Blow sewed he should reap. If we too were mentored by Nazi's. Or Calvina.

Setting her up to bust is un-American, only done by trailer trash quick buck scammers and the DEA. Breeding snitches to set up vulnerable patients, 80% of the busts are by informants marky. Not easy to come by if they're getting real treatment. Not by force or coercion to exempt their jail time and bill of rights. Bottom dwellers existing solely on the extravagance and decadence of the thieves on Wallmart St and inside the beltway of DC. Brokering Police Actions. While gutting safety nets with bogus pisstastes on the poor. They just shake and bake and we hailpt!

White Powders suck.
- Cocaine instruction manual.

[DdC]

States consider drug tests for welfare recipients By TOM BREEN
Associated Press CHARLESTON, W.Va. Thu Mar 26, 9

Privacy: Kansas House Passes Bill
Mandating Drug Tests for Public Assistance

"What marijuana can do is help you enjoy life through better health by providing relief for a wide variety of ailments that very often afflict people over fifty."
- Evan Keliher
The Case for Seniors using Marijuana pg3

Cannabis News: Public Housing May 03, 2005

The Supreme Court ruled today that public housing authorities around the country may evict tenants because members of their households, or guests, are using drugs, even if the evicted tenant was unaware of the drug use.

Since the first Bush administration, federal dollars have paid for security officers, alarm systems and after-school activities for youngsters in poor public housing projects.

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Bush: Scrap Public Housing Drug Push March 11, 2001
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14 Arrested During Raid at Public Housing Project
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The difference between a policy and a crusade
is that a policy is judged by its results, while a crusade
is judged by how good it makes its crusaders feel.
-- Thomas Sowell

Vices Are Not Crimes



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Dole Links License To Drug Test
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"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them."
- Frederick Douglass

Insurance Covers Hilo Woman's Marijuana
Insurance Company Reimburses For Seized Marijuana
Pot Seizure Brings Insurance Reimbursement

"Power concedes nothing without a demand.
It never did and it never will."
- Frederick Douglass

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Moral Poverty and Body Counts
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"When even one American - who has done nothing wrong - is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all Americans are in peril." -- Harry S. Truman

Cops Confiscation Maliciously Punishes

The Ganjawar Comes To The Rez

A Lie College Students Might Want To Tell

In 1998, Rep. Mark Souder, R-Ind., an advocate of stringent drug laws, slipped into a House bill an amendment denying federal financial aid for college to anyone who had been convicted of either selling or possessing drugs. No congressional committee voted on the amendment. But it passed as part of the reauthorization of the Higher Education Act, first enacted in 1965 to create federal financial aid for college students.

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"The truly and deliberately evil men are a very small minority;
it is the appeaser who unleashes them on mankind."
-- Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

UK: Class A Lesson In The War Against Drugs

A Radical Initiative Is Taking Drug Education
Out Of The Classroom And Into The Coroner's Court

The pictures are stark, close-up shots showing the bloated, decomposing corpses of young drug users. They would be hard for anyone to see, let alone a teenage girl.



Cover-Ups, Prevarications, Subversions & Sabotage

Demonizing Drugs

CrazyCalvinaFay

WomansWackyVengeance Union

THE DEMONIZATION OF MARIHUANA

"At the end of every shift, one hears officers extolling the virtues of apprehending a 'hype,' 'junkie'or 'druggie.' Since these tools for financial benefit, career advancement, and peer status are no longer valued as people, officers need not trouble themselves with ethical questions."
- Gil Puder, Vancouver Police Officer, 1998

PREJUDICE: MARIJUANA AND JIM CROW LAWS

The Racist Ganjawar

Thank You Miss Rosa

Human Rights and the WoD

"The thing worse than rebellion is the thing that causes rebellion."
- Frederick Douglass

November Coalition

F.A.M.M.
Families Against Mandatory Minimums Foundation

F.E.A.R.
Forfeiture Endangers American Rights

M.A.M.A.
Mothers Against Missuse and Abuse

N.O.R.M.L.
National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws

W.A.M.M.
Alliance for Medical Marijuana

"I don't know of anyone who can make a dollar go further
than policemen and dry agents.
By frugality, after a year in the service,
they acquire automobiles and diamonds."
-- Rev. Marna S. Poulson, on National Prohibition.
superintendent of the New Jersey Anti-Saloon League,
in a May 1925 address to a prohibition rally in Atlantic City,
as reported in the New York Times
and the Senate Judiciary Committee Hearings of 1926


SSDP

[DdC]

Cannabis News

MAP Inc.Org

Drug Sense

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US PRAISES THAI DRUG WAR!
"U.S.-aided Death Squads and torture"

THAILAND'S WAR ON DRUG USERS:
THE ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER OF EXECUTIONS
NOW PLACED AT BETWEEN 3,000 AND 5,000

The THAI USERS NETWORK
A group of active and former drug users in Thailand has organized in response to the deplorable health and human rights situation, in particular the current climate of fear caused by the killings. They have called for an INTERNATIONAL DAY OF ACTION on Thursday, June 12, 2003 to bring world-wide pressure on the Thai Government to put an end to this horror and to provide adequate healthcare for people who use drugs.

The Thai Army receives U.S. training. Note the last half of message below to see your U.S. tax dollars at work recently in torturing people nearly to death. This is the normal result of U.S. training of armies and police worldwide, and why the U.S. is hated worldwide.

Marijuana Smokers are Filling Jails
with Cheap Labour for Corporate Profit
By Reverend Damuzi (Cannabis Culture Magazine)
The United States has a new form of slavery. SWAT teams are conducting military "cleansings" of poor, minority and marijuana-growing neighbourhoods under the guise of drug raids that particularly target women, black people and members of the cannabis culture.



Signs of Sickness and D.E.A.th

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
is for good people to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke

Kathmandu and the Black Prince

Kill the Messenger
Editor's note: It's not easy when a colleague, let alone a journalist you hold in the highest regard, commits suicide. When Gary Webb took his own life two years ago, he and I had both been working at the Sacramento News & Review. In the days that followed, I fielded numerous phone calls from well-meaning folks who were convinced that he had been shot by the agency he went after in his famed "Dark Alliance" series. My personal belief is that the CIA didn't need to kill Gary; they'd already set his demise in motion by employing "unnamed sources" to discredit him in the nation's major print media. To the very end, Gary complained that no one had ever disproved a single fact in his series. The fact that so many respected newspapers so eagerly took this bait, and that one of our nation's last true investigative reporters had been driven to such desperation, is something I could not reconcile then or now.

"We are talking about despotism.
The USA PATRIOT Act is as despotic as anything Hitler came up with--
--even using much of the same language."
- GORE VIDAL

Vote Rigging, Suppression, Purging, Manipulation

Ganjawar Mongers Propaganda Terrorizing Americans



Drug Worrier Recycling

Woman faces death penalty in Bali for cannabis

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Souder Orders to FDA Backfiring!

Corporate Welrare Rats

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"How strategically important to The Bush Plan was Jeb's election as governor of Florida? The Sunshine State was the nation's third most populous state with twenty-five electoral votes, which combinede with Texas' thirty-two, Bush would lock up fifty-seven of the 270 votes needed to win the presidency. In addition, with the brothers in the statehouse in both Texas and Florida, one in eight Americans would be governed by a Bush. Joining the Roosevelts, Rockefellers, and Kennedys as political dynasties would also have a "snowball effect," according to George W.'s political strategists. Political lineages brought name recognition, experience, and even gave voters a sense of stability, they reasoned.

Prison Industrial Complex Attacks Prop. 5

Getting Rich Off Prohibition

Slave Labor Means Big Bucks For U.S. Corporations 02/06/01

Consequences of the Mindless Ganjawar

"To suppress free speech is a double wrong.
It violates the rights of the hearer
as well as those of the speaker."
- Frederick Douglass

Renegade Cops & Ganja Props

DAREyl SWAT Gates LAPDog Perversions



Nixon Lie Keeps on Killing...

Three days have passed since a man was shot to death by deputies in Canby over marijuana related arrest warrants. He has been identified as 68-year old Hubert Henkel.

80-year old Marjorie Frances Crawford was arrested on a warrant for charges she and Mr. Henkel were both wanted for, relating to growing, possessing and providing cannabis to another person.

If Lies are Laws then War is Peace

"For over fifty years the United States has been committed to a policy of suppressing the "abuse" of narcotic and other "dangerous" drugs. The primary instrument in carrying out this policy has been the criminal sanction. The results of this reliance on the criminal sanction have included the following:"

(1) Several hundred thousand people, the overwhelming majority of whom have been primarily users rather than traffickers, have been subjected to severe criminal punishment.

(2) An immensely profitable illegal traffic in narcotic and other forbidden drugs has developed.

(3) This illegal traffic has contributed significantly to the growth and
prosperity of organized criminal groups.

(4) A substantial number of all acquisitive crimes - burglary, robbery, auto theft, other forms of larceny - have been committed by drug
users in order to get the wherewithal to pay the artificially high prices charged for drugs on the illegal market.

(5) Billions of dollars and a significant proportion of total law enforcement resources have been expended in all stages of the criminal process.

(6) A disturbingly large number of undesirable police practices - unconstitutional searches and seizures, entrapment, electronic surveillance have become habitual because of the great difficulty that attends the detection of narcotics offenses.

(7) The burden of enforcement has fallen primarily on the urban poor, especially Negroes and Mexican-Americans.

(8) Research on the causes, effects, and cures of drug use has been stultified.

(9) The medical profession has been intimidated into neglecting its accustomed role of relieving this form of human misery.

(10) A large and well-entrenched enforcement bureaucracy has developed a vested interest in the status quo, and has effectively thwarted all but the most marginal reforms.

(11) Legislative invocations of the criminal sanction have automatically and unthinkingly been extended from narcotics to marijuana to the flood of new mind-altering drugs that have appeared in recent years, thereby compounding the preexisting problem.
A clearer case of misapplication of the criminal sanction would be difficult to imagine.
--"The Limits of the Criminal Sanction,"
by Herbert Packer, 1968

[Guest]

Uh maybe people should get their shit together and not rely for the state to pay for them to be high?

What does that have to do with medical marijuana patients?

[Guest]

I found it.

You are basically on medical marijuana for depression.

How you did it, and are getting away with it, is beyond me (only in California ).?........but hey more power to you.

shit didn't/doesn't work the same for most.

YOU are basically full of SHIT.

[Dozer McDozer]

hmmm smoking weed use to not make me feel any less depressed or shitty in the past.

why wouldn't someone feel depressed and shitty goin through the bs you endured.

be strong old man... cause thats what bs should do for you... make you stronger and make you greater of mind.

weed for depression gimme a break...

the state of mind it gives you is reachable without it.

Good grief old man.

[patriot]

Drug testing for public assistance will fall under denying the claim, just as immediate drug testing goes for anyone that files a claim for worker's compensation. "Dirty" drug test means no compensation. Whether it be the poppy seed muffin you ate that day or the Advil you took. Or even prescribed drugs that may have impaired your judgement that caused you to be injured on the job.

When mass job losses are in the current scenario, the government is losing tons of money in income tax. Therefore, any excuse to deny benefits comes into play so they will have more money to give to the rich. As usual, they use the prohibition as a vehicle.

All the brainwashed people out there who think drug testing really works need to wake up. It only works to keep them impoverished. If the government was really interested in stopping the flow of illegal drugs, they would stop the C.I.A. from importing them on a daily basis. Of course, anyone who chooses to try to sidestep paying their dues to the C.I.A. is conveniently arrested by the D.E.A. Your tax dollars at work-against you.:finger:

By the way, wonderful post as usual DdC.

[DdC]

Play with rattlesnakes in church - wokayfine...
Smoke a joint and get booted from your home bill... dies.
Coward politikops, not a peep about the Banksters...
If they grew hemp maybe they wouldn't need assistance.
Growing Ganja Mountain Medicine beside their moonshine stills.
W.V. surely can't afford to loose any teachers.

Drug Testing: Widely Publicized West Virginia Bill to Test People on Public Assistance Dies

Hemp Bill Introduced In Congress

READERS WEIGH IN ON TEACHER LAYOFFS
LEGALIZATION OF DRUGS

"Homecoming" - Snake handling church in West Virginia

"Homecoming" - Snake handling church in West Virginia

[granolaAZ]

Well, there is THAT, yes. I was thinking along more self-centered lines, tho. I am back in school to become an accountant, and I'd hate to get to the finish line (CPA) only to find some moody bitch with a piss cup.



The Rev

I don't know where you are, but in AZ, usa a licensed anyone is not required to pass any drug screen if self-employed. Its only when you apply to work for a corporation/other employer that this happens. So, go for it!

[wellfleation]

Chances are he wants to make good money quickly after graduating which would mean working corporate. Most white collar jobs in NE I doubt drug test. Shit, they don't drug test police or firemen in Mass., why would a lawyer, CPA, secretary, social worker, etc., need to be drug tested? The only occupations COMMONLY tested are ones that involve public safety directly (bus driver, airplane pilot, subway driver, truck driver, you get the point). I wouldn't work for some Hitler Company that just wanted to drug test me just to test me. FUCK THAT, never will happen. My personal life is my business unless it effects my job. If I'm doing a shitty job, am incompetent, then fire me.

I guess some people get it in the ass and have fewer options and need to bend over *read - chest tests* and stop using to feed their fams. But thats' a violation if you ask me.

The Red Cross happily take my blood every two months. I hope knowbody gets a pint and gets in trouble.

[al-Mu'akhkhir]

aw man GOD FORBID welfare recipients don't piss away the monthly dole on drugs... that would be a fucking shame...