http://www.yahooka.com/forum/ A haven for those interested in exploring and discussing the realities and mysteries of the universe. Discussions cover the philosophical, the deeply religious, the purely scientific, and everything in between. en Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:54:28 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.yahooka.com/forum/images/ca_evo2_green/misc/rss.jpg http://www.yahooka.com/forum/ http://www.yahooka.com/forum/spiritual-smoke/158275-interfaith-theology-university-opening-up.html Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:18:48 GMT Training Pastors, Rabbis, and Imams Together

When Jerry Campbell became president of California's renowned Claremont School of Theology four years ago, low enrollment and in-the-red books threatened to close the 125-year-old institution. But since Claremont is the only United Methodist seminary west of Denver, Campbell resolved to find a way to stay open.

Drawing from classic American entrepreneurial wisdom — when faced with extinction, innovate — and a commitment to engage today's multi-faith culture, this fall Claremont will commence a first on U.S. soil: a "theological university" to train future pastors, imams, and rabbis under one roof. The experiment to end isolated clerical training brings together Claremont, the Islamic Center of Southern California (ICSC) and the Academy for Jewish Religion California. The hope of officials at all three organizations is that when leaders study their own religious traditions together alongside friends of other faiths, they will develop the respect and wisdom necessary to transform America's fractured religious outlook.

The project hatched naturally from Claremont's desire to engage southern California's religiously diverse population. "We're trying to catch up with the practical reality of how congregations, synagogues, and mosques are already trying to create some rapport among themselves," says Campbell. Not only will the project offer comprehensive multi-faith classes, but also it hopes to establish the first accredited imam-training institution in the U.S.

Only recently has the American Muslim population had the finances and the student pipeline to try to launch its own higher education institution; today's imams have trained either overseas or in community-based but unaccredited mosque programs. In addition to Claremont's efforts, Connecticut's Hartford Seminary is seeking accreditation for a new imam-training program, and Zaytuna College, a new, unaccredited Islamic liberal arts school in Berkeley, Calif., hopes to eventually include clerical classes.

The Claremont project, which so far has helped the school boost enrollment for this coming year by nearly 10% compared to last year, is part of a broader trend in American theological education as schools face an increasingly pluralist society. While none go as far as Claremont will to broadly train non-Christian clerics, other big-name Protestant programs have added world religion classes as well as partnerships with Jewish and Muslim programs. Hartford Seminary is known for its specialty in Christian-Muslim studies, and Harvard Divinity School requires in-depth study of at least two religious traditions.

The Association of Theological Schools (ATS) begins formal discussions this fall to explore how pluralism might change pastoral education. "I think that we are on the cusp of a lot of change, but we are at the front end of it, so it's not clear which of these are going to be the survivors, what new models might in fact emerge," says Daniel Aleshire, executive director of ATS. "In 20 years, the whole theological training landscape could be quite different." Already two other theological schools — Boston's Andover Newton and Chicago's Meadville Lombard — have followed Claremont's lead and in June announced plans to form similar interfaith consortiums.

Claremont's greatest contributions, however, may extend beyond the Christian community. An American imam-training program has long been "a dream" for Muslims, says Imam Mohamed Magid, vice president of the Islamic Society of North America. Not only has the supply chain for imams in the U.S. suffered since 9/11 largely due to immigration and visa issues, but also he points out, "In order for second-generation Muslims to have Islam be relevant to their life, they have to have an imam who understands American culture." The partnership with Claremont will allow the ICSC to realize its 20-year vision for an Academy of Islamic Thought, a program that can now become the new imam-training school.

To be sure, Claremont's push to desegregate religious education has encountered its share of roadblocks. The most notable to date occurred in January when questions about Claremont's commitment to Christian education nearly cost the school its funding and sanction from the United Methodist Church. After a five-month investigation, Campbell prevailed. "We explained clearly to the [Methodist] review team that in fact our United Methodist character continues intact throughout this program," he said. "We intend to be the Christian partner in this endeavor, and so we are not changing our United Methodist character essentially in any way."

Additional hurdles lie ahead. The Claremont project has to gain an endorsement for the new Islamic Center from Egypt's famed Al-Azhar University, the world's leading Sunni institution whose word gives weight to Muslim programs worldwide. And because Claremont still needs to find Buddhist and Hindu partners, hire up to 25 new professors, and raise an additional $104 million to pay for endowed faculty chairs and facility expansion, Campbell estimated that it will be nearly 10 years before the multi-faith project is in full swing.

In the meantime, the outlook for this interfaith model appears positive if cautious. When the project was announced, a group of more conservative Claremont students considered leaving, but no Claremont professor has resigned and only one Academy for Jewish Religion faculty has taken a leave of absence in response to the new joint initiative. Claremont Christian History Professor Esther Chung-Kim acknowledges that from a historian's perspective, Claremont is going out on a limb. But, as she says, "If we don't try it, who will?" Long-term enrollment will determine the venture's sustainability. "I'm willing to push ahead and see what happens," Chung-Kim says. It will be up to America now to prove Claremont's hypothesis. ]]> Spiritual Smoke Kompressor http://www.yahooka.com/forum/spiritual-smoke/158275-interfaith-theology-university-opening-up.html http://www.yahooka.com/forum/spiritual-smoke/158027-great-pyramid-built-using-advanced-machine-tools.html Thu, 19 Aug 2010 00:22:00 GMT Take the time to read this...imo this makes all egyptologists look like utter fools. http://www.gizapower.com/pma/index.htm Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt (http://www.gizapower.com/Advanced/Advanced%20Machining.html) Christopher Dunn is an engineer...not some pseudo-scientist. Take the time to read this...imo this makes all egyptologists look like utter fools.

http://www.gizapower.com/pma/index.htm

Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt

Christopher Dunn is an engineer...not some pseudo-scientist. ]]> Spiritual Smoke Kishar http://www.yahooka.com/forum/spiritual-smoke/158027-great-pyramid-built-using-advanced-machine-tools.html http://www.yahooka.com/forum/spiritual-smoke/157939-dedicate-song-all-transcendental-smokers.html Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:08:28 GMT The first time I heard this song was on punk-a-rama... and it's always captured my mind when I listen it.


YouTube - Pennywise-Dying To Know

If there is a song that makes you think of our spiritual community here in Transcendental Smoke post a song for us.

Namaste
SageTree ]]> Spiritual Smoke SageTree http://www.yahooka.com/forum/spiritual-smoke/157939-dedicate-song-all-transcendental-smokers.html http://www.yahooka.com/forum/spiritual-smoke/157862-life-elementary.html Sun, 08 Aug 2010 14:53:23 GMT Image: http://www.yahooka.com/forum/members/i10haulr-albums-ttt-picture1722-swt.jpg Image: http://www.yahooka.com/forum/members/i10haulr-albums-ttt-picture1723-dxxxx.jpg Image: http://www.yahooka.com/forum/members/i10haulr-albums-ttt-picture1724-monke.jpg



]]> Spiritual Smoke I10HaulR http://www.yahooka.com/forum/spiritual-smoke/157862-life-elementary.html http://www.yahooka.com/forum/spiritual-smoke/157850-people-who-think-there-no-god.html Sat, 07 Aug 2010 19:01:41 GMT just haven't seen him yet, maybe?
Because they haven't been looking for him I think.

It's always the same story with every radically religious person I know, every single one of them had this "God" or with the Christians the "Jesus experience", conveniently always during the hardest time in their lives. It's either a divorce or opiate/alcohol withdrawal.

My dad is 73 now and he was an agnostic since he could think, but now when he feels his eternal life is slowly reaching its end, he's grasping for the Justin Case's straw. He told me I know there is no God who waits for me and who's gonna judge my past life and he doesn't believe in "life after death", but he said what if?

I told him straight as he would expect from me, dad there is no God, when you die you will feel jack shit, all the feelings and the pain is going to stay here with me, your children, family, people who love you...

God is just a piece of invented shit that obviously can be very useful for a lot of troubled people. It's sort of like a handrail while you try to climb back up from the bottom of the well of life, only in your head. ]]> Spiritual Smoke Štulic http://www.yahooka.com/forum/spiritual-smoke/157850-people-who-think-there-no-god.html http://www.yahooka.com/forum/spiritual-smoke/157793-watch-slideshow-interview-its-badass.html Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:57:53 GMT YouTube - EN - Klaus Dona II: The Hidden History of the Human Race (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syWq6_oVhD0) edit: i found a link if you dont have time to watch the video.... http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_ciencia_life48.htm YouTube - EN - Klaus Dona II: The Hidden History of the Human Race

edit: i found a link if you dont have time to watch the video....

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...cia_life48.htm ]]> Spiritual Smoke Kishar http://www.yahooka.com/forum/spiritual-smoke/157793-watch-slideshow-interview-its-badass.html