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			<title>Music</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:16:05 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>When I smoke, I like to listen to music that evokes a sense of wonder and awe.  Among my favorites is the soundtrack for Koyaanisqatsi by Philip Glass.  You might remember this piece from Watchmen as well... 
 
YouTube - Philip Glass - Prophecies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R54V_fLNqiQ) 
 
Spark one, turn out the lights, listen with headphones. 
 
:bigjoint: 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>When I smoke, I like to listen to music that evokes a sense of wonder and awe.  Among my favorites is the soundtrack for Koyaanisqatsi by Philip Glass.  You might remember this piece from Watchmen as well...<br />
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R54V_fLNqiQ" target="_blank">YouTube - Philip Glass - Prophecies</a><br />
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Spark one, turn out the lights, listen with headphones.<br />
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			<title>We must evolve</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:50:04 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[we must evolve 
It is time to evolve above typical societal standards. 
 
We no longer need others to govern us, we can easily become a self-governing society.  
 
We should all pick a day where the entire world disengages from the "Big Game".  
 
In the future, there will be no countries, war, poverty or starvation.  
 
The New World is being built by those that use their whole brain -- the advanced Humans on this planet]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>we must evolve<br />
It is time to evolve above typical societal standards.<br />
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We no longer need others to govern us, we can easily become a self-governing society. <br />
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We should all pick a day where the entire world disengages from the &quot;Big Game&quot;. <br />
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In the future, there will be no countries, war, poverty or starvation. <br />
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The New World is being built by those that use their whole brain -- the advanced Humans on this planet <br />
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We must stop having people feed us information, govern us and set rules and boundaries upon us<br />
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If you can critically think and become responsible enough to self-govern, you are officially part of the &quot;advanced race&quot;<br />
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For those stuck in the world of &quot;politics&quot;, &quot;economics&quot;, &quot;religion&quot;, &quot;war&quot;, victimization and the control of nature...that is of the past, we no longer live in that era, we are at the end of that era<br />
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Face it:<br />
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it's time to use your whole brain <br />
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we do not need rules<br />
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we do not need laws<br />
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because we SHOULD be more responsible than that, <br />
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we do not need price tags on food, we should be more loving than that <br />
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the list goes on<br />
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food for thought, i know everyone cares about all the other bullshit stuff on the `net, but hey...how about the shit that impacts HUMANITY?            I mean how do you even argue that? <br />
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not that i am trying to<br />
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but how do you argue that?<br />
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it's simple, people need to use their brain, be responsible, critically think and have sincere love for self and sincere understanding of self to relate to others<br />
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how do you argue that we need to step up to the plate and actually be a useful &quot;race&quot; on the planet?                                                            <br />
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			<title>Apparently Multiple Meteors Killed the Dinos</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 22:22:36 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Double meteorite strike 'caused dinosaur extinction' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11112417) 
 
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The dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago by at least two meteorite impacts, rather than a single strike, a new study suggests. 
 
Previously, scientists had identified a huge impact crater in the Gulf of Mexico as the event that spelled doom for the dinosaurs. Now evidence for a second...]]></description>
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The dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago by at least two meteorite impacts, rather than a single strike, a new study suggests.<br />
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Previously, scientists had identified a huge impact crater in the Gulf of Mexico as the event that spelled doom for the dinosaurs. Now evidence for a second impact in Ukraine has been uncovered. This raises the possibility that the Earth may have been bombarded by a whole shower of meteorites. The new findings are published in the journal Geology by a team lead by Professor David Jolley of Aberdeen University.<br />
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When first proposed in 1980, the idea that a meteorite impact had killed the dinosaurs proved hugely controversial. Later, the discovery of the Chicxulub Crater in the Gulf of Mexico, US, was hailed as &quot;the smoking gun&quot; that confirmed the theory.<br />
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Double trouble<br />
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The discovery of a second impact crater suggests that the dinosaurs were driven to extinction by a &quot;double whammy&quot; rather than a single strike. The Boltysh Crater in Ukraine was first reported in 2002. However, until now it was uncertain exactly how the timing of this event related to the Chicxulub impact. In the current study, scientists examined the &quot;pollen and spores&quot; of fossil plants in the layers of mud that infilled the crater. They found that immediately after the impact, ferns quickly colonised the devastated landscape.<br />
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Ferns have an amazing ability to bounce back after catastrophe. Layers full of fern spores - dubbed &quot;fern spikes&quot; - are considered to be a good &quot;markers&quot; of past impact events. However, there was an unexpected discovery in store for the scientists. They located a second &quot;fern spike&quot; in a layer one metre above the first, suggesting another later impact event. Professor Simon Kelley of the Open University, who was co-author on the study, said: &quot;We interpret this second layer as the aftermath of the Chicxulub impact.&quot;This shows that the Boltysh and Chicxulub impacts did not happen at exactly the same time. They struck several thousand years apart, the length of time between the two &quot;fern spikes&quot;.<br />
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Uncertain cause<br />
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Professor Kelley continued: &quot;It is quite possible that in the future we will find evidence for more impact events.&quot; Rather than being wiped out by a single hit, the researchers think that dinosaurs may have fallen victim to a meteorite shower raining down over thousands of years. What might have caused this bombardment is highly uncertain. Professor Monica Grady, a meteorite expert at the Open University who was not involved in the current study, said: &quot;One possibility might be the collison of Near Earth Objects.&quot; Recently, Nasa launched a program dubbed &quot;Spaceguard&quot;. It aims to monitor such Near Earth Objects as an early warning system of possible future collisons.</div>

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			<title>SHARE YOUR LOVE</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:59:43 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Love is very seldom glorified or talked about these days. If it is, it's not part of today's pop culture; or, we get fed this watered down, material biased love that only happens to the famed. We can all see from the weekly rags that these are doomed to failure. Where/who are artists that paint your picture of love? What's your definition? 
 
To me, love is when two people come together to form one entity. There's no ego associated with love, no pride; just the quest of that love to overcome...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Love is very seldom glorified or talked about these days. If it is, it's not part of today's pop culture; or, we get fed this watered down, material biased love that only happens to the famed. We can all see from the weekly rags that these are doomed to failure. Where/who are artists that paint your picture of love? What's your definition?<br />
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To me, love is when two people come together to form one entity. There's no ego associated with love, no pride; just the quest of that love to overcome life's obstacles. You wake up wanting to improve yourself for that love, because improving yourself, improves the life of your mate making the love stronger. Your mate doing the same, starts an infinite cycle of positivity and strength, a power only two people truly in love can harness. You love the hard times for the struggles you share. You love the easy times to reflect on the accomplishments your love has achieved. Knowing that without your mate, they would've been impossible.</div>

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			<title>Open Minds</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:26:16 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>What good is an open mind? 
 
Too many people claim to have an open mind. From my observation most of these people are not completely truthful in that statement. 
 
An open mind left unattended for however length of time, is more susceptible to rot and infestation. 
 
An open mind must be fed, must be nourished and must be expanded. 
 
Feed Your Brain.</description>
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Too many people claim to have an open mind. From my observation most of these people are not completely truthful in that statement.<br />
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An open mind left unattended for however length of time, is more susceptible to rot and infestation.<br />
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An open mind must be fed, must be nourished and must be expanded.<br />
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Feed Your Brain.</div>

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			<title>QUESTION</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:38:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>WHAT DOES WATER TASTE LIKE?</description>
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			<title>THE MOST WISEST THING</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:37:18 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I KNOW I AM WISE, FOR I KNOW NOTHING</description>
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			<title>What Will YOU Be Remembered For?</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 00:54:57 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[When its all said and done, as you lay at Death's doorstep, what do you want to remembered for? There can be one thing, or many, it doesn't really matter. 
 
For me, I hope to leave behind the memories of all the fun times I had, and all the friends who were important to me. I figure if there's one person who feels like my presence and personality enriched their life, well, that's a successful run in my book! :bigjoint:]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>When its all said and done, as you lay at Death's doorstep, what do you want to remembered for? There can be one thing, or many, it doesn't really matter.<br />
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For me, I hope to leave behind the memories of all the fun times I had, and all the friends who were important to me. I figure if there's one person who feels like my presence and personality enriched their life, well, that's a successful run in my book! :bigjoint:</div>

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			<title>Non-Theism: Thoughts, Feelings, Explainations?</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:30:26 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hello my Friends, 
 
 
First of all: 
_**Non-Theism: Thoughts, Feelings, Explainations?**_ 
 
That is the simple version of the question..... 
 
 
Second of all I'm placing this in HT because I would like to hear ALL opinions and not just spiritual ones. This is a question about a concept or idea, not necessarily Buddhism, however I'm attaching an article (below) I found while searching for something to pass on to said questioner......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hello my Friends,<br />
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First of all:<br />
<u><i><b><b>Non-Theism: Thoughts, Feelings, Explainations?</b></b></i></u><br />
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That is the simple version of the question.....<br />
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Second of all I'm placing this in HT because I would like to hear ALL opinions and not just spiritual ones. This is a question about a concept or idea, not necessarily Buddhism, however I'm attaching an article (<i>below</i>) I found while searching for something to pass on to said questioner......<br />
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<i>First a little person back log....</i><br />
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During a private talk with a member here I was asked about God and Buddhism. It's something I kinda of decided to 'Let it Be' and at some point was also inspired by this story's question:<br />
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				A man went to the Buddha insisting on answers to these questions, but the Buddha instead put a question to him: &quot;If you were shot by a poison arrow, and a doctor was summoned to extract it, what would you do? Would you ask such questions as who shot the arrow, from which tribe did he come, who made the arrow, who made the poison, etc., or would you have the doctor immediately pull out the arrow?&quot;<br />
&quot;Of course,&quot; replied the man, &quot;I would have the arrow pulled out as quickly as possible.&quot; The Buddha concluded, &quot;That is wise, for the task before us is the solving of life's problems; until the problems are solved, these questions are of secondary importance.&quot;<br />
Life does not depend on the knowing how we got here or what will happen after we are gone. Whether we hold these views about these things or not, there is still suffering, sorrow, old age, sickness, and death.
			
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So from time to time I read a little, and since I was prompted I found an interesting article when searching &quot;Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta&quot;,which was the member current belief. <br />
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As a side, I feel that the later most closely identify with my idea of 'God', should I say to some one, 'this is basically <i>It-ness</i>' and I might add a 'verbness' clause at the end of it too :D<br />
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Anyways.... I was asking,<br />
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I read this article and came across the term '<b>non-theist</b>'. And I was wondering what anyone thought about this idea/explanation.<br />
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I don't agree with all the ways Buddhism is described, in the follow article, and there seems to be a Abrahamic-bias to &quot;god&quot; in the writing, but sways back and forth into neutral ground enough to enjoy.<br />
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<u>In conclusion to this:</u><br />
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The dichotomy of the 'by god' 'for god' and 'with god' didn't quite click for me, but I had an interesting thought on theist, atheist, agnostic, non-theist.<br />
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<i>Theist: Yes there is God<br />
Athest: No there isn't God/ Doesn't consider it<br />
Agnostic: There may or may not be a God/ How can I know it?<br />
<b>Non-Theist: I don't need to know.</b></i><br />
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And frankly that is how I feel at this point of my life. I feel very reverent to the moment, to serving others, to love and have compassion. I am full of thanks and gratitude and try to see each moment as a blessing for further growth in Goodness.  'God' in my mind is impersonal and formless, abiding with the idea of One-ness and a non-dual view of Existence. We are all interconnected. 'God' is a word in the end and if you tell me It's blue, I really can't argue, like if you'd pointed to the sky and said red.... but it's a term we are familiar with for better or worse :D<br />
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Basically I think I do right by the Cosmos and It by me. If my thoughts are energy and I feel them in a meditative/prayerful awareness, then doesn't the Universe pick up on them? My point is, if I don't feel different from the All, then who am I praying to?  <br />
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Hence my interest in non-theism. I feel it's me believing (ironically labeling)  what I'm doing as alright and naming who or why I'm doing it for is more of a matter of emphasis of terminology. <br />
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The point is I know in my heart what's going on it my head and going ape shit with a label maker doesn't really satisfy my connectedness. But I'm still interested in what this term means in your understanding.<br />
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Thanks for taking the time to read the article below, if you do and if you feel like you just want to comment on the topic with out the article that is fine as well.<br />
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Namaste<br />
SageTree<br />
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				<a href="http://www.metanexus.net/magazine/tabid/68/id/10376/Default.aspx" target="_blank">Theism, Atheism and Non-Theism in Buddhism<br />
By Saberi Roy</a><br />
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There are several opinions on the theistic status of Buddhism with the descriptions of Buddhism ranging from atheistic, non theistic to theistic. The fundamental philosophy of Buddhism seems to deny the concept of a personal God, although it is controversial whether Buddhism denies an impersonal form of God. Buddhist scholar Nyanaponika Thera1 suggested that conceptions of impersonal godhead such as world soul are excluded from Buddhism and this has been explained on teachings related to unsubstantiality or non-self. Despite this, Buddhism does provide an exposition on different higher and lower realms of existence even though the focus is on impermanence. That way Buddhism could be described as pantheism associated with all forms of existence. Considering a pantheist explanation, which is highly probable in Buddhist philosophy, Buddhism could be considered as theistic instead of atheistic. In a review article on the work of W.C. Smith, Robert Florida2 pointed out that Smith argued that Buddhists do believe in God. Smith of course, takes a broader view of what it means to be an atheist and suggests that an atheist has lost all hope and has no sense of justice, truth or beauty. Smith may have stretched the definition of atheism a bit too far, which should strictly mean, &#8216;no belief in God or no belief that God or gods exist&#8217;. Smith argues for a theistic basis of Buddhism considering the Buddhist concepts of nirvana and the concept of dharma as parallel to the Western concept of God or divinity3 .<br />
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Mahayana Buddhism went a bit further by accepting Buddha as the God and William James4 has pointed out that Buddha himself standing as God as accepted by some Buddhist followers suggests that Buddhism is atheistic5 . However this again is a problematic argument as accepting Buddha as God could mean that Buddhism is theistic and atheistic at the same time! Yet Mahayana Buddhism is a later version of Buddhism and the Theravada school still follows the teachings of Buddha in its essence6 . Some scholars have used the term &#8216;non-theistic&#8217; to define Buddhism as atheism could mean a wider range of vices and theism is too focused on God and especially the concept of a personal God. In the West, the concept of God, largely framed by Christianity is a personal concept representing a super human being. This is largely against the spirit of Buddhism which emphasizes karma or an individual&#8217;s own actions. Divine control or providence, according to Buddhism can easily suggest that individuals are not responsible for their moral or ethical actions and this would be bad for moral development of human beings7 . Some scholars have suggested that God in Buddhism simply means enlightened beings or Buddhas rather than any other supreme being, so individuals are capable of gaining Buddhahood when they achieve true enlightenment and impart the knowledge to others. Buddhism through the ages has worshiped many such gradations of Buddha despite the fact that there is no belief of God in Buddhism. The focus is on personal karma, or one&#8217;s own actions rather than being overtly dependent on God, and also one&#8217;s efforts towards nirvana or enlightenment and the emphasis is also on jnana through meditative reflection and striving towards higher refinement of consciousness, salvation and deliverance 8. The main reason for which Buddha wanted to avoid God seems to be an emphasis on one&#8217;s own moral efforts and strife or aims towards moral and spiritual fulfillment. By eschewing the idea of God, individuals take more personal moral responsibility for their actions and thus Buddhism is about independence and attaining morality not by praying or dependence on divine providence but by one&#8217;s own efforts and actions. The ultimate goal is to attain salvation through constant efforts, morally correct behavior and meditation.<br />
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Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta may be completely different schools and one opposed the other vehemently with Buddha excluding all unsubtantiality from his discussion, yet they have at least something in common as both Advaita and Buddhism directed attention towards the individual and the individual is central or at the core of the moral philosophy of both the religions. Although Buddhism could be considered as more &#8216;politically correct&#8217; and pragmatic that it kept away from all things that we don&#8217;t know about such as illusion or maya or world-soul etc, Advaita provided a more comprehensive explanation of God as present in the individual, an emphasis again common in both the philosophical positions. The moral strength of the individual is important in both the systems and also a pantheistic approach to the question of God, with God as also found in humanity and the individual is present in both the religions. Thus both Buddhism and Advaita are individualistic philosophies, almost comparable to an individualistic psychology9 where the focus is on what level of spiritual progress an individual can attain through his personal efforts. Yet Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta have basic differences as Buddhism is pluralistic and Advaita is monistic. According to Advaita everything is the Brahman which is non dualistic and consciousness encompassing the entire universe. In Buddhism, the subjective-objective divide is blurred and the identity of the self remains undefined and merely represented by the senses. Yet Advaita postulates that the whole universe is the self and the distinction between the universe and the self is also blurred in this case. Thus to summarize, both Buddhism and Advaita are pantheistic and individualistic, both recognizes the primacy of the self and the close relation between the subjective and the objective. Yet Advaita defines all pluralities in terms of the self or a monistic philosophy of the self as in essence the whole of the universe whereas Buddhism postulates the self as without identity and probably represented by a plurality of senses, so pluralities are defined in terms of the self in Buddhism, a diametrically opposite philosophical position when compared with Advaita Vedanta.<br />
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Considering the arguments that scholars provide on whether Buddhism is theistic, atheistic or non-theistic, compatible explanations could be provided for all these three philosophical positions. Buddhism has been argued as perfectly theistic simply because it is based on the notion of nirvana and dharma and is thus guided by a moral law, and a focus on moral law is the basis of all religions. Morality is about doing what is right and ethical for the sake of spiritual evolution and in so far as Buddhism emphasizes attaining enlightenment and teaching the same to others, Buddhism is theistic as it focuses on the same core of moral and spiritual development that forms the basis of theism or all religious systems. Buddhism is also theistic as it could be described as a sort of pantheism with the blurred distinction of the subject and the object and the subject being represented by pluralities. However the distinct and intentional avoidance of a creator God, perhaps to dodge the God related questions, brings out the more pragmatic and almost political approach of Buddhism. By denying or de-emphasizing the role of God, Buddha has managed to make religion less deterministic and infused a sense of responsibility in the karmic contribution of the individual. The no-God formula definitely makes Buddhism atheistic in a certain way and it is compatible with Buddha&#8217;s emphasis on individual striving for enlightenment by following the Four Noble Truths and the Eight Fold path of righteousness. Yet the whole emphasis on righteousness undermines any atheistic undertone that Buddhist philosophy may portray. This is the main reason for which many scholars try to maintain a balance and remain non-committal to either side of the debate suggesting that Buddhism is neither theistic nor atheistic but simply non-theistic. Non-theism is the in-between position between atheism and theism. It does not carry all the negative implications of atheism and yet carries with it the theistic emphasis on moral value. Maybe, non-theism is a more moderate and better word to describe Buddhism yet it is also inadequate as Buddhism does embody not just a part of theism or atheism that non-theism would imply, but Buddhism seems to encompass nearly all or most of theism and atheism. This is the problem in trying to define, categorize or pin down Buddhism, it seems to be both theistic and atheistic at the same time. Of course, in a way, the different schools or divisions of Buddhism adds to this confusion as Mahayana is more theistic and Theravada is atheistic. Yet, it can be said that Buddhism is theistic in its essence and atheistic in its approach, theistic in theory and atheistic in practice and even theistic in its goal and atheistic in its philosophical position.<br />
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Buddhism remains completely opposite to Christianity in its de-emphasis of a creator God but its moral basis remains similar and compatible with all religions. Its philosophical denial or avoidance of God issues brings it closest to monistic religions of the east, including the Advaita Vedanta although at the same time places it exactly opposite to such religions as Buddhism is finally about striving to attain perfection &#8216;for God&#8217; rather than &#8216;with God&#8217; as in Advaita Vedanta or &#8216;by God&#8217; as in Islam or Christianity. So, ultimately humans have a goal to attain enlightenment and perfection through nirvana and meditation but we do this for our purpose of reaching Godhood which is essential in Advaita and in Buddhism, yet unlike Advaita, Buddhism does not see God as inherently merged in the self and consciousness10 and representing the entire universe at the same time yet the concept of enlightenment/nirvana in Buddhism as is Moksha/liberation in Advaita, are similar and the self is able to reach perfection and an ideal condition through practice. Scholar David Loy11 however suggested in his book and papers that the difference between Moksha in Advaita and Nirvana in Buddhism is that of perspective as the Buddhist explanation and approach towards Nirvana is more phenomenological and experiential and the Vedantist explanation towards Moksha is objective as Moksha is about detachment, taking a view from outside the illusion of reality. Advaita Vedanta emphasizes on an objective reality and Buddhism adopts a subjective reality.<br />
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Thus it can be suggested that Buddhism is a more practice based rather than a theory based religion and although it is in practice atheistic, it is completely theistic in its theory and aim. In fact, the theism-atheism-nontheism perspectives of Buddhism aid in emphasizing the role of the individual making Buddhism a deeply subjective and almost individualistic or psychological religion.
			
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			<title>Life on other planets...</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I saw a show on Science Channel this afternoon called The planets, it was about how science is looking for planets around other stars and the frequency of earth-like planets in the universe.  
YouTube - &#x202a;1999 The Planets : Destiny 1 of 5&#x202c;&lrm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPdaeS9W_Bw) 
 
My thought being, if we do indeed discover life on other planets, that would have to at least re-write our view and understanding of god. Imagine we contact an alien civilization,with them...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I saw a show on Science Channel this afternoon called The planets, it was about how science is looking for planets around other stars and the frequency of earth-like planets in the universe. <br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPdaeS9W_Bw" target="_blank">YouTube - &amp;#x202a;1999 The Planets : Destiny 1 of 5&amp;#x202c;&amp;lrm;</a><br />
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My thought being, if we do indeed discover life on other planets, that would have to at least re-write our view and understanding of god. Imagine we contact an alien civilization,with them likely having no concept of religion as we know it. Or if their science has advanced and they can conclusively prove a scientific origin of the universe?<br />
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Thoughts, anyone? :D</div>

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			<title>In the moment -babble-</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:57:24 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Everything I've ever done to come to where I am now. I had no certainty the results of any situation, maybe I rationalized a "close" prediction but there was no way of knowing that things would turn out the way they did. 
 
Isn't it weird to think every step we've every tried so tirelessly to calculate, in the end, can only have so much influence on the result.  
 
So why do I still try and predict the future, when certainly the future is completely tangible? Habit perhaps but I'm not sure...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Everything I've ever done to come to where I am now. I had no certainty the results of any situation, maybe I rationalized a &quot;close&quot; prediction but there was no way of knowing that things would turn out the way they did.<br />
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Isn't it weird to think every step we've every tried so tirelessly to calculate, in the end, can only have so much influence on the result. <br />
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So why do I still try and predict the future, when certainly the future is completely tangible? Habit perhaps but I'm not sure completely.<br />
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It appears that being more mindful and living more in the present these past handful of months, that though I am calculating the future less often. It seems that if I would have been trying to calculate the future, that everything has turned out more how I would have wanted it to be, without the extra effort.<br />
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Two conclusions I've personally come too from this, surely there's more.<br />
1. Living in the moment will take me were I would have wanted to go. Perhaps even more so because there is more opportunity in a future not attempting to be guided by a young and 'flawed' mind(my mind).<br />
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2. Living in the moment, changes how I feel about where I am.<br />
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Anyone else experience anything similar or a similar thought train or something?</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[what's it all about?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[just wondering...Is the hokey Pokey what it's really all about?:spliff:]]></description>
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   just wondering...Is the hokey Pokey what it's really all about?:spliff:</div>

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