The Cabinet

Kompressor · 11-04-2008, 08:33 AM

Obama's 'dream team' cabinet is shaping up rather nicely in my own opinion.

Robert Gates, Secretary of Defense

Strobe Talbot, Secretary of State

Warren Buffet, Secretary of the Treasury

Indra Nooyi, U.S Trade Representative

Fareed Zakaria, National Security Advisor

Warren Buffet and Fareed Zakaria are personal heroes of mine so this makes my hope meter throb to raging new heights.

sput·nik · 11-04-2008, 09:19 AM

apparently stable & solid intellects , definitely pretty bonerworthy.

JcP · 11-04-2008, 09:32 AM

2 vaguely "arab" names in his cabinet = TERRORIST!!!!

verklingen · 11-04-2008, 09:38 AM

i'm positively giddy with excitement

11-04-2008, 09:41 AM

Fareed Zakaria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zakaria is regarded by some as a political liberal[1] or moderate.[2] In foreign policy terms, he is a "realist," believing that American foreign policy should be guided by a conception of its national interest.[citation needed] His first book, From Wealth to Power, argues that countries that grow rich and powerful inevitably expand their sphere of interests abroad.[citation needed] He sees America as a reluctant great power in the late 19th century, a strong nation with a very weak central state.[citation needed] Zakaria is an advocate of free markets, globalization and multilateralism.[citation needed]

In his second book, The Future of Freedom, Zakaria argues that democracy works best in societies when it is preceded by "constitutional liberalism." He has written that historically liberty has preceded democracy, that countries that simply hold elections without broad-based modernization—includ ing economic liberalization and the rule of law—end up becoming "illiberal democracies". Consequently, he has been critical of the manner in which the Bush administration has pushed its democracy agenda forward, relying on elections in Iraq, the Palestinian Authority, and Lebanon as the solution to those countries' problems and minimizing the building of the institutions of law, governance, and liberty.

After the 9/11 attacks, Zakaria wrote an essay for Newsweek entitled "The Politics of Rage: Why Do They Hate Us?". He argued that Islamic terrorism has its roots in the stagnation and dysfunctions of the Arab world. Decades of failure under tyrannical regimes, all claiming to be Western-style secular modernizers, has produced an opposition that is religious, violent, and increasingly globalized. Since the mosque is a place where people can gather and Islam an institution outside the reach of censorship, they provided a context for the growth of the political opposition. Zakaria has argued for a generational effort to create more open and dynamic societies in Arab countries, thereby helping Islam enter the modern world.

In a June 11, 2007 cover essay, Zakaria criticized "fear-based" policies on terrorism, immigration, and trade, arguing that beyond George W. Bush the world needs an open and confident United States.[3]

At the end of the October 19 edition of GPS, Zakaria endorsed Barack Obama in the 2008 US Presidential Election.

[edit] Iraq War views
While Zakaria initially supported using military force against Iraq, he argued for a United Nations-sanctioned operation and occupation with a much larger force (approximately 400,000 troops, similar to what General Eric Shinseki had argued for). He also called for a Bosnia- or Kosovo-style occupation that was international, rather than American, in nature. He wrote a Newsweek cover essay the week the Iraq war began entitled "The Arrogant Empire," which detailed the failures of the Bush foreign policy in the run-up to the war.

He was an early and aggressive critic of the occupation, arguing against the disbanding of the Iraqi army and bureaucracy, which the administration accomplished as part of its goal of "de-Baathification." He predicted that accelerating the build-up of the Iraqi military would create a Shia and Kurdish army that would exacerbate the sectarian tensions in the country. Four months into the occupation, his columns bore such titles as "Iraq Policy Is Broken," and in September 2003 he wrote a cover story for Newsweek entitled "So What's Plan B?" In a February 2005 issue, the week before Iraq's elections, he wrote, "no matter how the voting turns out, the prospects for genuine democracy in Iraq are increasingly grim." In his March 5, 2007 Newsweek cover essay, Zakaria called for a reduction in American troops in Iraq to 60,000 by the end of 2007. He did not forsee the successes in Iraq following the spring of 2008.

[edit] Participation in Wolfowitz meeting
In his 2006 book State of Denial, Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward wrote that, on November 29, 2001, a meeting of Middle East experts and analysts was convened at the request of then–Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz. The outcome of the meeting was a report for President George W. Bush concerning American policy toward Afghanistan and the Middle East in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks, a report that supported the subsequent invasion of Iraq. Zakaria told The New York Times that he attended the meeting for a few hours but that he "thought it was a brainstorming session" and did not recall being told that a report for the President would be produced. [4]

On October 21, 2006, after verification, the Times published a correction that stated:

An article in Business Day on Oct. 9 about journalists who attended a secret meeting in November 2001 called by Paul D. Wolfowitz, then the deputy secretary of defense, referred incorrectly to the participation of Fareed Zakaria, the editor of Newsweek International and a Newsweek columnist. Mr. Zakaria was not told that the meeting would produce a report for the Bush administration, nor did his name appear on the report.

[edit] Criticism
Wisconsin Citizen Action member Roger Bybee, in a piece entitled "Fareed Zakaria, Spokesperson for the Global Elite" for the Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting organization, writes that Zakaria's "fervent embrace of the perspectives of the powerful keeps him in a state of denial regarding fundamental realities of the global economy." [5]

[edit] Personal
Zakaria is a naturalized citizen of the United States.[6] He currently resides in New York City with his wife, Paula Throckmorton Zakaria, son Omar, and daughters Lila and Sofia. Zakaria has weighed in on his Muslim background on only one occasion, telling the Village Voice, "I occasionally find myself reluctant to be pulled into a world that's not mine, in the sense that I'm not a religious guy."[7

**Canuck Wisdom** · 11-04-2008, 10:21 AM

Its exciting to see how this goes for sure. Especially in the light of 8 years of corruption and illegitimacy.

Ego Tripping · 11-04-2008, 11:57 AM

Obama won't change much on his own but with a cabinet like that, we could see some brighter days indeed.

Either way, this is a step in the right direction. We won't truly be where we want to be until a 3rd party candidate has at least an equivalent chance beyond the two parties. I can easily see that happening by the 2012 or 2016 election!

Paul/Kucinich '12!

Yes, I realize they are not of the same party. That's what makes it awesome.

Kompressor · 11-05-2008, 07:52 AM

This is still speculation done by an independent study for Obama, so it could still change but it's the short list.

Indra Nooyi is the 'PepsiCo Queen,' hopefully that manufacturing rise to multinational conglomerate head can revamp our global commerce as Trade Rep.

Bill Clinton is also considered for Sec of State cuz of his huge international popularity, knowledge and experience.

Either way I hope most of them accept.

elric40 · 11-05-2008, 08:10 AM

Buffet is certainly damned capable..he's the Buckminster Fuller of the Economic world....but he's is getting up there, don't know if he has the physical stamina for the demands on this now tough job. I think maybe Blair from FDIC...she's a compassionate centrist and very capable too, and used to the 14 hour days.......

and yea, Gates is good.....how about old Sam Nunn? What would it take to get him out of retirement......he always struck me as effective, informed and a centrist.

The Rev · 11-05-2008, 06:20 PM

I would like to nominate Tommy Chong as Secretary of Cheeba.

Now THAT is change I can believe in.

The Rev

Kompressor · 11-09-2008, 12:03 PM

Old news but Rahm Emanuel selected as Chief of Staff.

Robert Gates staying on as Sec of Defense seems to be a safe bet. I wouldn't want Sam Nunn because of the stuff he does lean right on.

John Kerry seems to want Sec of State. [lolz]

Blair's already in the process of cleaning up, doubt she wants more. Plus she jokes that whenever she takes a government job the economy gets worse.

I still hope Buffet takes it. Not that he need it to polish his career, but just because he's the best and that's what we really need.

Still crossing fingers for Zakaria, but it's looking slim.

**Maturin** · 11-10-2008, 09:14 AM

You have some good choices there Komp.

Robert Gates has quietly become an excellent Secretary of Defense and I would like to see him continue in the job for a few more years. And who could argue Buffet as Secretary of the Treasury?

I'm not as sure for Talbot as State, but he'd be a better choice than John Kerry. I'm sorry to say I don't know much about Indra Nooyi, so I won't comment.

Fareed Zakaria is the only one that I have some issue with. While I agree he's an excellent journalist in international affairs, I'm not so sure that qualifies him for the NSA job. Besides, I'd miss him too much on the Daily Show and ABC.

The Post had an interesting timeline comparing the cabinet selection process in all the administrations going back to Nixon. If the pattern holds true we won't really see the bulk of Obama's choices until early/mid-December.

Kompressor · 11-10-2008, 11:31 AM

I think a top notch journalist will be perfect for the job as security adviser, especially with this 'war on terror' someone who knows something about the world and not just a perception would be invaluable.

I don't expect it to be finalized either, seems like Obama's team is going to leak them out individually over the next few months.

SmokeSomeDoja · 11-10-2008, 02:10 PM

like we really need to lend credibility to the asinine notion of a 'war on terror...'

11-10-2008, 02:35 PM

do not forget that out of the mouths of most remaining republican'ts, is pure negativity bordering on insanity.

with the political powerhouse supporters like Kennedys and the Clintons there's hope.

Kompressor · 11-11-2008, 08:07 PM

Sam Nunn has been hired as part of the transition team for the Department of Defense, so he'll have a hand in whoever it becomes.

Edit: i also would like to mention that I admire Zakaria not because of his appearances on the Daily show and ABC, but in his own actual show GPS with Farheed Zakaria, his questioning and style are unrivaled to me based on my own worldly travels and understanding. His book The Post-American World also is a real eye-opener on how the 'third world' relates to the 'first.'

**Hedons** · 11-13-2008, 06:53 PM

Who would you like appointed to run the CIA?

-Hedons

The Rev · 11-13-2008, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedons

Who would you like appointed to run the CIA?

-Hedons

Anyone who has a problem with blurting.

The Rev

**Hedons** · 11-13-2008, 07:00 PM

How about Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State?

-Hedons

Kompressor · 11-13-2008, 09:04 PM

Hillary is also in the running for Sec of State or U.S. Diplomat. I personally would prefer Bubba for State for the reasons stated earlier.

As for the CIA, John Brennan the head of the National Counter Terrorism Center has been advising Obama so far, so he's thought to be the lead runner. Two Intelligence Committee members are up for it, Chuck Hagel and Jane Harman. Tom Fingar, the intelligence chief at the State Department is also mentioned.

Don't know much about any of them so I don't know who'd be best.

11-04-2008, 08:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
Kompressor Voice of Reason Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,640 Thanks: 0 Thanked 321 Times in 193 Posts	The Cabinet Obama's 'dream team' cabinet is shaping up rather nicely in my own opinion. Robert Gates, Secretary of Defense Strobe Talbot, Secretary of State Warren Buffet, Secretary of the Treasury Indra Nooyi, U.S Trade Representative Fareed Zakaria, National Security Advisor Warren Buffet and Fareed Zakaria are personal heroes of mine so this makes my hope meter throb to raging new heights. __________________ Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought. -H. Bergson

11-04-2008, 09:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
sput·nik denizen Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: the blackest lodge Posts: 3,728 Thanks: 142 Thanked 152 Times in 108 Posts	apparently stable & solid intellects , definitely pretty bonerworthy. __________________ and those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music . . .

11-04-2008, 09:38 AM	#4 (permalink)
verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 6,923 Thanks: 431 Thanked 989 Times in 630 Posts	i'm positively giddy with excitement __________________ History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of men rip matt

11-04-2008, 11:57 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,241 Thanks: 158 Thanked 502 Times in 318 Posts	Obama won't change much on his own but with a cabinet like that, we could see some brighter days indeed. Either way, this is a step in the right direction. We won't truly be where we want to be until a 3rd party candidate has at least an equivalent chance beyond the two parties. I can easily see that happening by the 2012 or 2016 election! Paul/Kucinich '12! Yes, I realize they are not of the same party. That's what makes it awesome. __________________ There's a door open to walk through All I want is just beyond What if I could let my guard down Into freedom, on and on

11-05-2008, 07:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
Kompressor Voice of Reason Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,640 Thanks: 0 Thanked 321 Times in 193 Posts	This is still speculation done by an independent study for Obama, so it could still change but it's the short list. Indra Nooyi is the 'PepsiCo Queen,' hopefully that manufacturing rise to multinational conglomerate head can revamp our global commerce as Trade Rep. Bill Clinton is also considered for Sec of State cuz of his huge international popularity, knowledge and experience. Either way I hope most of them accept. __________________ Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought. -H. Bergson

11-04-2008, 09:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
Roach Guest Posts: n/a	Fareed Zakaria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Zakaria is regarded by some as a political liberal[1] or moderate.[2] In foreign policy terms, he is a "realist," believing that American foreign policy should be guided by a conception of its national interest.[citation needed] His first book, From Wealth to Power, argues that countries that grow rich and powerful inevitably expand their sphere of interests abroad.[citation needed] He sees America as a reluctant great power in the late 19th century, a strong nation with a very weak central state.[citation needed] Zakaria is an advocate of free markets, globalization and multilateralism.[citation needed] In his second book, The Future of Freedom, Zakaria argues that democracy works best in societies when it is preceded by "constitutional liberalism." He has written that historically liberty has preceded democracy, that countries that simply hold elections without broad-based modernization—includ ing economic liberalization and the rule of law—end up becoming "illiberal democracies". Consequently, he has been critical of the manner in which the Bush administration has pushed its democracy agenda forward, relying on elections in Iraq, the Palestinian Authority, and Lebanon as the solution to those countries' problems and minimizing the building of the institutions of law, governance, and liberty. After the 9/11 attacks, Zakaria wrote an essay for Newsweek entitled "The Politics of Rage: Why Do They Hate Us?". He argued that Islamic terrorism has its roots in the stagnation and dysfunctions of the Arab world. Decades of failure under tyrannical regimes, all claiming to be Western-style secular modernizers, has produced an opposition that is religious, violent, and increasingly globalized. Since the mosque is a place where people can gather and Islam an institution outside the reach of censorship, they provided a context for the growth of the political opposition. Zakaria has argued for a generational effort to create more open and dynamic societies in Arab countries, thereby helping Islam enter the modern world. In a June 11, 2007 cover essay, Zakaria criticized "fear-based" policies on terrorism, immigration, and trade, arguing that beyond George W. Bush the world needs an open and confident United States.[3] At the end of the October 19 edition of GPS, Zakaria endorsed Barack Obama in the 2008 US Presidential Election. [edit] Iraq War views While Zakaria initially supported using military force against Iraq, he argued for a United Nations-sanctioned operation and occupation with a much larger force (approximately 400,000 troops, similar to what General Eric Shinseki had argued for). He also called for a Bosnia- or Kosovo-style occupation that was international, rather than American, in nature. He wrote a Newsweek cover essay the week the Iraq war began entitled "The Arrogant Empire," which detailed the failures of the Bush foreign policy in the run-up to the war. He was an early and aggressive critic of the occupation, arguing against the disbanding of the Iraqi army and bureaucracy, which the administration accomplished as part of its goal of "de-Baathification." He predicted that accelerating the build-up of the Iraqi military would create a Shia and Kurdish army that would exacerbate the sectarian tensions in the country. Four months into the occupation, his columns bore such titles as "Iraq Policy Is Broken," and in September 2003 he wrote a cover story for Newsweek entitled "So What's Plan B?" In a February 2005 issue, the week before Iraq's elections, he wrote, "no matter how the voting turns out, the prospects for genuine democracy in Iraq are increasingly grim." In his March 5, 2007 Newsweek cover essay, Zakaria called for a reduction in American troops in Iraq to 60,000 by the end of 2007. He did not forsee the successes in Iraq following the spring of 2008. [edit] Participation in Wolfowitz meeting In his 2006 book State of Denial, Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward wrote that, on November 29, 2001, a meeting of Middle East experts and analysts was convened at the request of then–Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz. The outcome of the meeting was a report for President George W. Bush concerning American policy toward Afghanistan and the Middle East in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks, a report that supported the subsequent invasion of Iraq. Zakaria told The New York Times that he attended the meeting for a few hours but that he "thought it was a brainstorming session" and did not recall being told that a report for the President would be produced. [4] On October 21, 2006, after verification, the Times published a correction that stated: An article in Business Day on Oct. 9 about journalists who attended a secret meeting in November 2001 called by Paul D. Wolfowitz, then the deputy secretary of defense, referred incorrectly to the participation of Fareed Zakaria, the editor of Newsweek International and a Newsweek columnist. Mr. Zakaria was not told that the meeting would produce a report for the Bush administration, nor did his name appear on the report. [edit] Criticism Wisconsin Citizen Action member Roger Bybee, in a piece entitled "Fareed Zakaria, Spokesperson for the Global Elite" for the Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting organization, writes that Zakaria's "fervent embrace of the perspectives of the powerful keeps him in a state of denial regarding fundamental realities of the global economy." [5] [edit] Personal Zakaria is a naturalized citizen of the United States.[6] He currently resides in New York City with his wife, Paula Throckmorton Zakaria, son Omar, and daughters Lila and Sofia. Zakaria has weighed in on his Muslim background on only one occasion, telling the Village Voice, "I occasionally find myself reluctant to be pulled into a world that's not mine, in the sense that I'm not a religious guy."[7

11-05-2008, 08:10 AM	#9 (permalink)
elric40 YaHookan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA Posts: 106 Thanks: 20 Thanked 34 Times in 24 Posts	Buffet is certainly damned capable..he's the Buckminster Fuller of the Economic world....but he's is getting up there, don't know if he has the physical stamina for the demands on this now tough job. I think maybe Blair from FDIC...she's a compassionate centrist and very capable too, and used to the 14 hour days....... and yea, Gates is good.....how about old Sam Nunn? What would it take to get him out of retirement......he always struck me as effective, informed and a centrist.

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Kompressor Voice of Reason Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,640 Thanks: 0 Thanked 321 Times in 193 Posts	Old news but Rahm Emanuel selected as Chief of Staff. Robert Gates staying on as Sec of Defense seems to be a safe bet. I wouldn't want Sam Nunn because of the stuff he does lean right on. John Kerry seems to want Sec of State. [lolz] Blair's already in the process of cleaning up, doubt she wants more. Plus she jokes that whenever she takes a government job the economy gets worse. I still hope Buffet takes it. Not that he need it to polish his career, but just because he's the best and that's what we really need. Still crossing fingers for Zakaria, but it's looking slim. __________________ Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought. -H. Bergson

11-10-2008, 09:14 AM	#12 (permalink)
Maturin Hmm? Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Das Kapital Posts: 1,816 Thanks: 72 Thanked 56 Times in 47 Posts	You have some good choices there Komp. Robert Gates has quietly become an excellent Secretary of Defense and I would like to see him continue in the job for a few more years. And who could argue Buffet as Secretary of the Treasury? I'm not as sure for Talbot as State, but he'd be a better choice than John Kerry. I'm sorry to say I don't know much about Indra Nooyi, so I won't comment. Fareed Zakaria is the only one that I have some issue with. While I agree he's an excellent journalist in international affairs, I'm not so sure that qualifies him for the NSA job. Besides, I'd miss him too much on the Daily Show and ABC. The Post had an interesting timeline comparing the cabinet selection process in all the administrations going back to Nixon. If the pattern holds true we won't really see the bulk of Obama's choices until early/mid-December. __________________ "Creating something is not a democracy. The people have no say. The artist does. It doesn't matter what the people witter on about: they and their response comes after. They're not there for the moment of creation." --Russell T Davies Last edited by Maturin; 11-10-2008 at 09:17 AM.

11-10-2008, 11:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
Kompressor Voice of Reason Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,640 Thanks: 0 Thanked 321 Times in 193 Posts	I think a top notch journalist will be perfect for the job as security adviser, especially with this 'war on terror' someone who knows something about the world and not just a perception would be invaluable. I don't expect it to be finalized either, seems like Obama's team is going to leak them out individually over the next few months. __________________ Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought. -H. Bergson

11-10-2008, 02:10 PM	#14 (permalink)
SmokeSomeDoja Lushous Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Erogenous Zones Posts: 18,231 Thanks: 217 Thanked 425 Times in 250 Posts	like we really need to lend credibility to the asinine notion of a 'war on terror...' __________________ fotoz fo yo azz "I've run over black cats that were luckier than me."

11-10-2008, 02:35 PM	#15 (permalink)
Roach Guest Posts: n/a	do not forget that out of the mouths of most remaining republican'ts, is pure negativity bordering on insanity. with the political powerhouse supporters like Kennedys and the Clintons there's hope.

11-11-2008, 08:07 PM	#16 (permalink)
Kompressor Voice of Reason Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,640 Thanks: 0 Thanked 321 Times in 193 Posts	Sam Nunn has been hired as part of the transition team for the Department of Defense, so he'll have a hand in whoever it becomes. Edit: i also would like to mention that I admire Zakaria not because of his appearances on the Daily show and ABC, but in his own actual show GPS with Farheed Zakaria, his questioning and style are unrivaled to me based on my own worldly travels and understanding. His book The Post-American World also is a real eye-opener on how the 'third world' relates to the 'first.' __________________ Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought. -H. Bergson Last edited by Kompressor; 11-11-2008 at 08:23 PM.

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Hedons Ribbed for her pleasure! Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Chicago Burbs. Delta(x) times Delta(p) is greater than or equal to h-bar over two. Posts: 4,627 Thanks: 22 Thanked 142 Times in 91 Posts	How about Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State? -Hedons __________________ New and improved! Now with flushable applicator.

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Kompressor Voice of Reason Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,640 Thanks: 0 Thanked 321 Times in 193 Posts	Hillary is also in the running for Sec of State or U.S. Diplomat. I personally would prefer Bubba for State for the reasons stated earlier. As for the CIA, John Brennan the head of the National Counter Terrorism Center has been advising Obama so far, so he's thought to be the lead runner. Two Intelligence Committee members are up for it, Chuck Hagel and Jane Harman. Tom Fingar, the intelligence chief at the State Department is also mentioned. Don't know much about any of them so I don't know who'd be best. __________________ Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought. -H. Bergson

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