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Old 04-09-2005, 09:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Nutrient schedule by Turtlehead

Turtlehead is an awesome grower I have met online.
This is an organic nute schedule he uses. Along with a nice explanation.

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PBP Grow = 3-1.5-4 PB Grow = 1-0.5-1

PBP Bloom= 2.5-2-5 PB Bloom= 0.5-0.5-1
PBP Soil = 1.5-4-5

The PBP Soil was designed for use in conditions where fine clay-like particles in your soil/soiless mix will lock out P required for flowering. Plants actually require less P but in soil formulas you'll notice that it has around 3-4 times the amount a plant needs because of it getting locked out. With regular PB, the P level is lower which is better for hydro. So IMO, PB grow is ok, have used it myself, but if you want better results in bloom, I highly recommend using PBP Soil. If you already have the ferts, I would recommend a bloom booster like PK 13-14 or something similar. And another thing I've noticed with CalMag is that if you use it up until flushing, your plant will stay very green. If you are like me and like the plants to yellow a bit before harvest, you may want to cut it out for the last couple weeks. That is if your CalMag is derived from calcium nitrate like the stuff I have. If is doesn't have N in it, forget what I said. Anyhoo, if you have dolomite lime in your mix that will also supply a goodly amount of calcium. So will the worm shit. You may also want to look into greensand as a source of trace elements and P, maybe even glacial rock dust if you can't get greensand. Not needed, just something nice to add. One thing that I've read many times about B1 is that it prolongs flowering so isn't recommended during flowering. The only time I'd use it is if the plants get stressed. The best results I've ever had with my plants is from using guano/kelp/alfalfa tea. My second grow I got almost 3oz/ft2 haven?t done that since cause I kept trying different things each time since.

My old guano recipe that I did so well with was per gallon
1/2tsp high N bat guano
1/2tsp high P bat guano
1/2tsp alfalfa meal
1/2tsp soluble kelp powder
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1 1/2tsp liquid kelp (1-1-4)
1/2tsp Epsom salt

That was the standard tea and I'd increase the high P guano for flowering and eliminate the high N guano the last 3 weeks of flower. In flower, I'd start with 1tsp high P guano and work my way up to 3tbsp near the last few weeks. I also doubled my kelp for flowering. I've gone back to the standard recipe with slight modification to my N source replacing the N guano with Calcium Nitrate. Hope it doesn't make a negative impact in my yields. My soiless recipe has changed as well, but the stuff I used was peat based with around 25% perlite added. Then per gallon I'd add
2tbsp blood meal
2tbsp bone meal
2tbsp alfalfa meal
2tbsp dolomite lime
2tbsp greensand
16oz worm castings
for flower I cut the blood meal in half.
Maybe it will help you as much as it helped me.
I used it as ONE of my starting points. My mixture is off the cuff really.
I look at my babies before watering and if there is no obvious problems I use my generic feed.

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bump.......this sounds interesting.

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wish i d seen this thread when i was using PBP products

Dan is good to have u back man
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